Japan Earthquake | Page 1366

  • @carabnr I wish i knew. Does it every time & I can never see anything unusual
    by UKVal 5/24/2011 11:48:22 PM

  • Japan unlikely to build new nuclear plants after crisis, Kan tells FT

    TOKYO, May 25, Kyodo

    The nuclear crisis triggered by the massive earthquake and tsunami has made it difficult for Japan to build new atomic power plants, Prime Minister Naoto Kan suggested in an interview with the Financial Times citing the experience of the United States after the 1979 Three Mile Island accident.

    Kan was quoted Tuesday by a Japanese government official as telling the British newspaper that Japan will depend less on nuclear energy and focus more on natural energy and energy-saving efforts in light of the ongoing crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi complex.

    Kan mentioned the aftermath of the Three Mile Island case, which has seen the United States build no new nuclear power plants since then. english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 5/24/2011 11:48:47 PM

  • No.1 reactor vessel damaged 18 hrs after quake

    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says the containment vessel of the No.1 reactor may have been damaged about 18 hours after the March 11th earthquake, allowing highly radioactive water to leak.

    The quake knocked out the reactor's cooling system. The situation is believed to have caused the fuel rods to melt, creating holes in the pressure vessel, and damaging the containment vessel.

    On Tuesday, Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, released the results of its analysis of the temperature and water level of the reactor.

    The temperature of the containment vessel began to rise immediately after the earthquake. It shot up 15 hours after the quake, when a meltdown is believed to have occurred.
    At 9 AM on March 12th, around 18 hours after the quake, the vessel's temperature had reached 300 degrees Celsius. That's more than double the temperature it was designed to withstand.

    TEPCO says that when the temperature of a containment vessel hits 300 degrees, the rubber and metal parts used to seal joints will be damaged. The utility says highly contaminated water may have leaked through these damaged sections.

    This is the first time that TEPCO has given details of how highly radioactive water may have been leaked at the No.1 reactor.

    Meltdowns are also believed to have occurred at the No.2 and No.3 reactors. Further analysis will be needed to determine if these meltdowns created holes in the containment vessels and allowed contaminated water to leak.

    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 05:02 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/24/2011 11:50:24 PM

  • "The situation is believed to have caused the fuel rods to melt, creating holes in the pressure vessel, and damaging the containment vessel."
    by Edano 5/24/2011 11:52:12 PM

  • High levels of cesium detected above No.1 reactor

    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant says the density of radioactive cesium above the No.1 reactor is 18 times the permissible level for the edge of the plant's compound.

    Large amounts of radioactive substances have been released into the air since reactor cores and buildings were damaged, but measurements were not available.

    On Sunday, Tokyo Electric Power Company began measuring the density of radioactive elements above the No.1 and No.4 reactors.

    The firm used instruments attached to the crane pumps that are injecting water into the reactors.

    TEPCO detected 360 becquerels of cesium-134 per cubic meter above the No.1 reactor, where most of the fuel rods are believed to have melted. The amount is 18 times the allowable limit for the plant's perimeter.

    The firm also discovered 7.5 times the limit of cesium-134 above the No.4 reactor, which has no fuel in its core. The substance is believed to have come from the fuel storage pool and the neighboring No.3 reactor.

    TEPCO says it will measure the levels of radioactive elements above the No.2 and No.3 reactors. It also plans to cover the reactor buildings with polyester sheets to prevent the further dispersal of radioactive materials into the air.

    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 07:48 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/24/2011 11:53:55 PM

  • TEPCO still looking into emergency cooling system

    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is still unable to determine how long an emergency cooling system at the Number 1 reactor remained off after the March 11 earthquake.

    Officials of Tokyo Electric Power Company spoke to reporters on Tuesday about the system, which can function without external sources of power.

    Operating records at the plant show that the system turned on automatically 6 minutes after the earthquake, at 2:52 PM, and halted 11 minutes later, at 3:03 PM. The system was back on more than 3 hours later, at 6:18 PM.

    TEPCO says that based on hearing from workers, it has confirmed that the system was manually shut down at 3:03 PM.
    It said this step was made based on a manual, in order to prevent damage to the reactor, because the temperature of the water to cool the No.1 reactor had dropped sharply.

    TEPCO says the system may have been turned on in the 3 hours until 6:18, but that it cannot clearly determine the course of events based on studies of circuits and interviews with workers.

    The utility firm says at this point it cannot determine to what extent the emergency system was functioning, and that it will continue investigating.

    The firm also said that data taken in the 30 minutes after the earthquake show no irregularities in all safety features of the Number 1 to 3 reactors such as emergency power sources and in major facilities of the plant.

    On May 16th, TEPCO disclosed the plant's operating records from immediately after the earthquake. The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has instructed the firm to submit a report after analyzing them further and assessing their effects on nuclear safety.

    Tuesday, May 24, 2011 14:00 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/24/2011 11:57:10 PM

  • NISA wants measures to stop seawater contamination

    Japan's nuclear regulatory agency has instructed the operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to take additional measures to prevent further leakage of radioactive water into the sea.

    The Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, found on May 11th that highly radioactive water was flowing into the sea through a pit near a water intake for the plant's No. 3 reactor.

    TEPCO estimates that 250 tons of contaminated water was discharged in 41 hours, and that it contained 20 terabecquerels of radioactivity -- about 100 times more than permitted annually at the plant.

    In April, contaminated water with about 4,700 terabecquerels -- 20,000 times more than the annual limit -- was discharged into the sea from the No. 2 reactor.

    TEPCO is trying to plug pits at the plant with concrete and studying the feasibility of building a system for purifying seawater near the water intake.

    The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency ordered TEPCO to also survey other places at risk of radioactive leakage and take preventive action.

    The agency has also asked TEPCO to wrap up a plan for storing and treating radioactively contaminated water at the plant by June 1st.

    Tuesday, May 24, 2011 20:52 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/24/2011 11:59:20 PM

  • @edano Nero fiddled - Nisa piddled , into the wind
    by elainekirk 5/25/2011 12:02:01 AM

  • @Edano 'Japan's nuclear regulatory agency has instructed the operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to take additional measures to prevent further leakage of radioactive water into the sea' King Canute comes to mind
    by UKVal 5/25/2011 12:02:30 AM

  • back
    by dean 5/25/2011 12:03:36 AM

  • front
    by elainekirk 5/25/2011 12:03:48 AM

  • hi Edano.. good to see yuo
    by dean 5/25/2011 12:03:58 AM

  • @elainekirk lol!
    by UKVal 5/25/2011 12:04:18 AM

  • @dean : hihi. does anyone know how to convert csv / xml files into a diagran/graph/plot ? maybe a freeware tool ? or do i have to write one ?
    by Edano edited by dean 5/25/2011 12:06:03 AM

  • have you tried uploading it to google docs @edano that converts a lot of files automatically
    by elainekirk 5/25/2011 12:07:13 AM

  • code.google.com check that out Edano.. there is a download on it.. I haven't checked yet tho
    by dean 5/25/2011 12:10:36 AM

  • @dean : thx will try it !
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:11:20 AM

  • check that out too Edano

    by dean 5/25/2011 12:12:13 AM

  • by dean 5/25/2011 12:15:07 AM

  • that one is for a scatter diagram
    by dean 5/25/2011 12:15:19 AM

  • @dean : hey, you have a lot of links. the first one failed :( the second one i need openoffice ..... okay, try it. :) the third excel ......
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:16:29 AM

  • Helicopter above Daiichi
    by estacion 5/25/2011 12:17:58 AM

  • @Edano Rob found one that turns it into gauges for display. I think I saw some that will automatically graph. We want to use the RRS feed of the csv files TEPCo puts out to feed the gauges gadget. I think the same could be done to automate what your talking about but the nuts and bolts of tweaking the code gets a bit beyond my skill level
    by Nancy 5/25/2011 12:18:05 AM

  • @Nancy : exactly that was my intention, the tepco files. i think i will have to script a program for that. but that lot of work.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:20:54 AM

  • i also wonder if this all makes sense, while tepco delivers us false data.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:23:18 AM

  • @wtm do you have a news link for that 1500 dead in Oklahoma news story?
    by Nancy 5/25/2011 12:26:15 AM

  • @Edano something like this ? pchart.sourceforge.net
    by WolfDK 5/25/2011 12:26:42 AM

  • @Edano There is someone rob found who has spreadsheets that auto update - we might be able to use those and google gaddgets
    by Nancy 5/25/2011 12:26:59 AM

  • @Nancy : where is the csv files live feed ?
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:27:22 AM

  • OH Well wouldn't you just know it !! Japan is a part of the UN's agenda 21 well that explains them treating the people with contempt but it doesn't explain the UN remaining silent about the present pollution...or does it ? is this why international media is silent and governments won't monitor the pollution because it shows agenda 21 up for what it is? www.un.org
    by elainekirk 5/25/2011 12:27:30 AM

  • @WolfDK : looks fine, i'll try it.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:28:58 AM

  • @Edano - I think this is the person with the auto updating spreadsheets www.sendung.de

    I think TEPCO has an RSS feed Rob might have the link
    by Nancy 5/25/2011 12:29:31 AM

  • @Nancy : yes, it's radiation data using speedi. the same with tepco data would be fine.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:34:08 AM

  • @Edano I will see if I can get the TEPCO feed from Rob. This is the gauge visualization gadget they want to use for TEPCo data on the website
    by Nancy 5/25/2011 12:36:10 AM

  • by Nancy 5/25/2011 12:36:11 AM

  • the cesium isotopes above the reactors (which have no fuel anymore and are in "cold shutdown" by now) could indicate a corium reaction with containment concrete, couldn't they ?
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:37:19 AM

  • Tokio rattles, and Fuku too!!!
    09:19 JST 25 May 2011 35.9N 140.2E 70 km 4.5 Ibaraki-ken Nambu
    www.jma.go.jp

    by estacion via Jma.go.jp 5/25/2011 12:40:36 AM

  • @Edano Google Docs: Spreadsheet should have the plug-ins to do it somewhere...
    by Rob in SF 5/25/2011 12:42:53 AM

  • @Rob in SF : i just don't find the right button for it ..... ;)
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:44:15 AM

  • but i think nancy has the link that could make it work.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:45:37 AM

  • @Edano Cesium-134 alone doesn't show that. A concrete reaction would have barium, strontium, lanthanum & cerium, but of course they're not going to tell us that. The latest CTBTO readings www.cpdnp.jp do show lanthanum though.
    by Bobby1 5/25/2011 12:46:45 AM

  • TEPCO's water juggling act. www.asahi.com
    by Nancy 5/25/2011 12:48:05 AM

  • @Bobby1 : yes, they only tell us cesium ..... hiding the other isotopes. but without fuel in the rpv, i wonder what else can cause cesium emission. recriticality in corium or concrete.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:50:06 AM

  • @Edano, what pieces do we need to make these two things work? We have the visualizer for the gauges and it looked like you found the charting program. We need TEPCO's rss feed - I don't have that, Rob mentioned it? Then do we need something to push the CSV files into the spreadsheets? Does that one for the SPEEDI data give any clues how to do this?
    by Nancy 5/25/2011 12:50:07 AM

  • @Nancy : radioguy made the spreadsheet from tepco csv: spreadsheets0.google.com
    by Edano 5/25/2011 12:51:41 AM

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