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  • @radioguy I go browse I check out each link that goes up :)
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 8:26:17 PM

  • @all@nancy I am looking at figures from japan gov in 2010 0n how many thyroid risk etc if a 4 reactor plant 'blew' have we got these charts?
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 8:27:57 PM

  • Sorry, double goof on the post. The lowest reading on the prefectures listed is Kanagawa with .117 uSv/hr. Any US readings at or above this level should be considered to be on par with highly irradiated areas of Japan.
    by Bobby1 5/26/2011 8:28:53 PM

  • Am I duplicating what we allready have with this
    "16 March 2010 12:24 pm (EDT), NRC Operations Center, Protective Measures Team This data is based on system condition estimates for a hypothetical, four reactor site. Model results are projections only and may not be representative of an actual release. This projection uses modeled forecast meteorological conditions and is subject to change"
    and then lotsa charts
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 8:32:03 PM

  • @elainekirk Re Weightman, yep, truly worrisome. TEPCO conveniently released their mountains of 'real' data the very next day after he'd reported all those fabrications. And he's officially stating that the UK industry is safe on the basis of that interim report.
    UK nuclear industry gets green light from government inspector: www.guardian
    fitter



    . co.uk
    by es edited by elainekirk 5/26/2011 8:34:20 PM

  • @elainekirk, good spot about that, how odd if it's not misleading.
    by Ian 5/26/2011 8:34:44 PM

  • Here's how you can tell the flagging of Unit-3 videos was recent, one flagged was still up on May 22nd, still in google cache (but could be gone any minute) : webcache.googleusercontent.com
    by Ian 5/26/2011 8:36:35 PM

  • @es@Ian I think I will look further , experts who would not recognise the truth if they fell over it annoy me intense
    ly
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 8:36:51 PM

  • Ian can you download some of those via google cache?
    by lillymunster 5/26/2011 8:37:41 PM

  • so we have a farcical IAEA report that tries to pass daini off as daichi by default and all videos going we are absolutely dependent on that tippycam to prove that there is anything amiss
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 8:38:54 PM

  • Look, if you discuss this here and host them somewhere, they will find them if they are public.obviously they are now excercising right's in the US.....What get's me, is was it really Fukushima TV that actually filmed this ?.....These Video's should be protected by HISTORICAL reasons, not commercial..someone check the law of public broadcasting. I mean NHK opened their TV channel via Ustream and thereby i believe forfitted proterction of content didn't they ??
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 8:45:43 PM

  • Veenie this gets into internet law I haven't had tons of exp in. With copyright and parody they can't stop u from using material. I can look up the new conmcerns when I have net access again. If we have a paralegal or lawyer lurking they might have some input. There are ways to preserve data by mass distribution etc
    by lillymunster 5/26/2011 9:01:02 PM

  • I see these things as evidence not intellectual property myself
    by lillymunster 5/26/2011 9:01:59 PM

  • There are way's..
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:16:49 PM

  • WARNING LONG POST about Contammination efforts cost's etc
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:17:11 PM

  • TEPCO-AREVA Contract to Treat Contaminated Water at #Fukushima I Nuke Plant Is Shrouded in Secrecy

    With TEPCO again running out of space to hide (aka move) the highly contaminated water from the Reactors 2 and 3 at Fukushima I Nuke Plant, the hope is that the water treatment facility being built by AREVA will be in operation in June.

    I mentioned the "rumor" in my post yesterday that the cost to treat 1 tonne of contaminated water will cost TEPCO/Japanese taxpayers 200 million yen (US$2.44 million). In addition to the exorbitant cost, some people are asking, "What exactly will the facility do? What types of radioactive materials is it capable of removing from the water?"

    After all, it will be the first even for AREVA to treat radioactive water of this level of contamination.

    To my (feigned) surprise, no one in the Japanese government seems to know exactly what the facility is designed to do, and TEPCO is not saying anything, because it is under the "confidentiality [non-disclosure] clause" of the agreement with the French company.

    Why any work related to Fukushima I Nuke Plant is still considered "private" is a mystery to me, when the entire world is being affected and the Japanese taxpayers will likely be required to pick up the tab.

    A Japanese writer Ryuichi Kino wrote about the TEPCO-AREVA agreement on his blog, and the following is my quick translation of his post in Japanese (emphasis is mine):

    Doubt on the TEPCO's plan to remove the contaminated water based on the AREVA's water processing system, whose system details are not publicly disclosed

    There's one thing that I have been wondering about for a while. I have asked about it several times during the press conferences and for which I have always gotten incomplete answers, and that is the AREVA's water processing system. The AREVA's system is basically for the removal of radioactive cesium, and it is not known if it removes any other radionuclides.

    I forgot when was the first time I asked about the processing system for the contaminated water, but I do recall that I asked the question in the May 1 press conference. I had heard somewhere that the noble gas like iodine would be released untreated, so I asked whether it was true. The answer was that it was true [that iodine would be released untreated]. TEPCO seemed to think it wouldn't make much difference now that the roof of the reactor building had been blown off anyway in the Reactors 1 and 3.

    It does make a difference in terms of reducing the release of radioactive materials into the environment, but what became clear in the press conference [of the government/TEPCO consolidated headquarters for dealing with the Fukushima I Nuke accident] yesterday (May 19) was an even bigger problem. To my surprise, TEPCO said the details of the AREVA's water processing system were "not to be disclosed, due to the contractual obligation." What is going on with the effort to wind down the Fukushima I accident, when the critical information is withheld due to "contractual obligation"?

    What's even more surprising was that Prime Minister's Assistant Goshi Hosono, who acts as the secretary of this joint headquarters for the accident, didn't know the details of the water processing system either. Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency didn't know either. I was appalled.

    The following is the summary of the answers given by TEPCO and government officials [regarding the AREVA's system] during May 19 press conference:

    TEPCO's Matsumoto:
    "The main purpose of the AREVA's water treatment system is to remove cesium. I hear that it could also remove other gamma [ray-emitting nuclides?] and metal (such as strontium). However, due to the contractual obligation with AREVA, it is not to be disclosed what other nuclides can be removed and how much. I'm told that is the agreement between TEPCO and AREVA."

    NISA's Nishiyama:
    "In building the water processing system, the details of the system needs to be reported [to NISA] in order to ascertain the safety. The details would include the types of nuclides to be treated. We would have to further consider how to deal with the non-disclosure issue in the agreement."

    PM Assistant Hosono:
    "I didn't know that [the details were not disclosed]. All I paid attention to was radioactive iodine and cesium, but there are other radionuclides. Is AREVA saying there is no data on other radionuclides? Or is is saying there is such data but not willing to disclose? I'll confirm [with AREVA?]. The data should be made public. If AREVA doesn't have information on other radionuclides [other than iodine and cesium], I would like to request the company to run the system, obtain the data, and then disclose the data."

    TEPCO admitted that strontium was one of the nuclides to be processed, but didn't have information on plutonium and uranium. I simply don't understand why Hosono, representing the consolidated headquarters, and NISA were not aware of the situation [surrounding the AREVA's water treatment system].

    Both the consolidated headquarters and NISA must have had a major role in crafting the [revised] "roadmap" announced on May 17. But they didn't know the details. What was the "roadmap" based on? Is it just a wish list [as many critics alleged], after all?

    Without the detailed information on the types of nuclides to be processed, we wouldn't know how to treat and dispose the filters after the contaminated water is processed, and how to treat and dispose the still contaminated water after it is processed.

    As to the contaminated water after being processed, it may be OK, as Hosono said in the press conference, "to analyze after the treatment", even though it gives the impression that the government is "behind the curve". Who is going to treat the filters that catch radioactive materials and where? What are the radioactive materials that need to be treated and disposed and how much, by the time the accident is wound down? Without the details of the water processing system, the "roadmap" doesn't even address such things.

    I have another doubt. [TEPCO] seems to have abandoned the idea of "water entombment" for the Reactor 1, and instead try to process the contaminated water in the basement using the AREVA's system and put it back into the reactor core. However, without knowing what nuclides are still in the water after the treatment, is it safe to circulate this water? The more this water circulates, the radioactive materials not treated by the AREVA's system will increase in the water.

    Neither NISA nor Hosono seems to think the current situation is acceptable. But will the detailed information be disclosed? It is rumored that the final cost of processing the contaminated water will run up to over 10 trillion yen (US$123 billion). The system that costly, and the details are not disclosed. Not only am I not satisfied with this non-disclosure, but I am also doubtful whether the accident is really being wound down.

    I believe there should be a 3rd-party organization, other than TEPCO, to check the progress of the "roadmap" as soon as possible. A nuclear power plants is an ultra-complex system, and it is easy to fool a layman. It may be necessary to have people with the experience in working in the nuclear power plants in such an organization.
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:17:29 PM

  • @lillymunster there are a lot of "fair use" reasons that it can be called legal to host such videos. A clear case could be made in US courts. If they are used for analysis and not to infringe on the monetary value to the producer, we have every right to use these videos.
    by bo 5/26/2011 9:17:58 PM

  • @bo Wrong answer...the company can claim financial losses due to fear mongling etc..THIS is why they had Fukushima TV flagf them rather than NGHK or TEPCO etc...it's hurting Tourism as i posted YESTERDAY
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:20:11 PM

  • The fact that the company can claim that does not mean they can win that in court. Of course they have lawyers and we don't, but that doesn't mean we can't find free speech lawyers.
    by bo 5/26/2011 9:21:20 PM

  • @bo Let's not discuss this in the open, There is a loophone...YouTube unfortinuatly doesn't have the balls to say different, why I ask, they host killings in many countries "see revolutions" i havent seen anyone claim to violate terms.....it's political
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:23:02 PM

  • @Veenie understood
    by bo 5/26/2011 9:24:44 PM

  • @lillymunster Sorry no much free time. The movies have be upload to Gloresis...
    by Majj 5/26/2011 9:25:25 PM

  • @bo are you on FB?
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:27:06 PM

  • Youtube is known to cave to any compaint so it does not mean the complaint has merit. On the areva water treatment they used a system thought to be what they will use at fuku. It dumped contaminated water that made people sick
    by lillymunster 5/26/2011 9:27:08 PM

  • Majj _ meant you had lots of video from before and there might be copies in that batch
    by lillymunster 5/26/2011 9:28:25 PM

  • @Majj Glonises ?.I thought that was done and away with ??
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:28:33 PM

  • @elainekirk interesting article on the 90's.... if you come across any more info on the surry accident please grab for me..... i spent two years doing a sister inspection program on that accident.... its not quite what they describe "techicnically" but the bottem line is still the same.... would be interested in what is public and what is "priviate info" do not know what was released.... but they did get to the bottom of the issue, and adress the safety problem... not sure that i understood the details as they described... vs rad release and location of the failure... printed will reread Also, the one that talks about shoe or guide is part of the support info i sent you today
    by fitter 5/26/2011 9:28:45 PM

  • Guys, send me links via F
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:28:59 PM

  • @Veenie Long time I don't be there, no new videos. I will see if is there.just a minute.
    by Majj 5/26/2011 9:29:57 PM

  • I do not know if Ian is too busy , h he is a good video editor.....the links should state which part is of essence to keep video's in small size when edited...
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:31:21 PM

  • @Majj Ohh, so everything was uploaded to his site?
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:31:59 PM

  • Veenie I think it is I also think I have a copy of all the vids
    by lillymunster 5/26/2011 9:35:33 PM

  • @Veenie yes
    by Majj 5/26/2011 9:39:51 PM

  • Well, you guys have access so no go for me.
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:40:18 PM

  • Will see what I can do when I get net access back
    by lillymunster 5/26/2011 9:41:28 PM

  • @lillymunster Do you know how to edit video's ?
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:42:51 PM

  • I haz internets!
    I should be able to do some basic video editing if needed. Ian is pretty skilled with video editing if we need something also.
    by Nancy 5/26/2011 9:44:47 PM

  • Sorry, browser burp. Yup @Veenie, of course I am.
    by bo 5/26/2011 9:48:03 PM

  • fitter are you still here?
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 9:48:26 PM

  • @elainekirk yes,
    by fitter 5/26/2011 9:49:09 PM

  • I posted you a link the pipes had been modified did you see it
    fuku unit 3 and unit 5 have this modification www.klimaatkeuze.nl
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 9:50:08 PM

  • Ok, collaborating with Maj,...Nancy, Can you send me a login to upload a test when i am done ?
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:51:25 PM

  • @elainekirk yes look back a page, or this page can't type to much
    Ok @fitter :)
    by fitter edited by elainekirk 5/26/2011 9:53:18 PM

  • Damm, i wished everyone would go on twitter, to have a way of direct messaging each other independant from any board form !!
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 9:55:31 PM

  • @elainekirk let me know if you find my post, don't want to freeze up typing to muc
    by fitter 5/26/2011 9:57:00 PM

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