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  • @Dean Question: RBeaner posted a link to the IAEA's study of nutrino detectors for NPPs last night. I was wondering if they're being used in the US to monitor fuel and status of NPPs. Any ideas ?
    by Reed 6/7/2011 11:50:50 PM

  • @Edano You're right, they will not insure a NPP. Thus my point that if they can not be insured, they should not be renewed or constructed. :)
    by Reed 6/7/2011 11:52:38 PM

  • Areva, the atomic energy giant 80% owned by the French government, is launching a new international advertising campaign to celebrate its 10th birthday. The 60-second animated film entitled “Energy: One Powerful Story” shows nuclear energy as a vector for human progress since ancient time. A hundred artists worked for months to create it. The goal of Areva is to highlight its commitment to developing innovative and sustainable solutions for clean energy that could play a role for future generations in a carbon-free world.

    But this very “green” message, which tries to associate nuclear with clean energy and reprocessing with recycling, eludes the fact that the new developments of the nuclear industry have yet to be proven effective and safe. Unlike other energy sources, nuclear could leave large areas uninhabitable for generations – and that is if there are no accidents. The animated feature film also does not address the growing problem of radioactive nuclear waste disposal that has yet to be solved.

    The French company will celebrate its 10th birthday in September 2011. The group was created in 2001 following the merger of Cogema and Framatome but its ancestor, Cogema, was founded in 1976 and has played an important role in the United States since the early 1980s. With approximately 6,000 employees in the U.S. and $2 billion in sales revenue in 2008, Areva Inc. – the U.S. arm of Areva Group – claims to be the leader in the U.S. market for nuclear products and services. It invests millions of dollars in new projects, and its sales revenue has tripled in the last five years.
    by Dean 6/7/2011 11:53:06 PM

  • @Reed... I'd have to look into that some and don't have an immediate answer... nothing that I've been associated with in my career has attempted to monitor nutrino's..
    by Dean 6/7/2011 11:54:19 PM

  • @Reed : try to make a bill out of that - a good idea.
    by Edano 6/7/2011 11:54:30 PM

  • @Dean Sorry, it was @smoss who posted it. The technology sounds fantastic... www.lefigaro.fr
    by Reed 6/7/2011 11:56:29 PM

  • I posted that last article because it shows what really drives nuclear these days.. "profits".. conglomerates and monopolies such as AREVA. BIG companies created by big names, many of whom have been in big politics and lobbyists all out for mega profits at the expense of safety ...
    by Dean 6/7/2011 11:56:45 PM

  • @dean but what drives governments to support that?
    by elainekirk 6/7/2011 11:58:08 PM

  • @elainekirk moneymoneymoney
    by Edano 6/7/2011 11:58:46 PM

  • the ex politicians get good jobs in areva & co after their career.
    by Edano 6/7/2011 11:59:29 PM

  • @dean is it just money? looking at Fukusima and how tepco have kept everybody out of that plant makes me think it is more than money
    by elainekirk 6/7/2011 11:59:45 PM

  • @Edano Speaking of moneymoneymoney...We need the PETRO buck guys to write that mandatory insurance bill for us. They're the only ones with enough muscle to force something like that through governments.
    by Reed 6/8/2011 12:00:04 AM

  • @edano of course yup didnt think of that angle
    by elainekirk 6/8/2011 12:00:21 AM

  • @elainekirk : all our ex politicians have high dotated contracts in the big industry.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:01:24 AM

  • with the exception of good old fellow Joschka Fischer. he is professor at yale i think now.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:03:36 AM

  • Follow the money. I think there is another aspect where governments at all levels find it convenient to let a private company handle a public service. They usually get some sweet sweet cash personally out of the deal and they don't have to manage a facility as a government. There used to be (at least where I live) publicly owned power facilities.
    There is a real disconnect when a private company can socialize losses and keep all the profits for themselves. It is just asking for bad management and accountability.
    by lillymunster 6/8/2011 12:04:52 AM

  • @Reed as a german, i am out of that mess :P
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/8/2011 12:05:19 AM

  • @lillymunster : i felt better in the good old times when the nukes were governmental propriety. and the prices for electricity were ridiciously low. but then they sold them for a few pence.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:08:19 AM

  • elaine I think in part the GOJ and the regulators in that country and utility agencies like TEPCO developed a disconnect over the years, partly due to the continued need for electrical power to fuel society and the industrial machine in japan. We see daily almost how such disconnects have been made. In the USA there have been decisions made behind closed doors on the nuclear direction for the country and more recently how to deal with the stockpiles of weapons grade materials. then come the big huge companies, political dealings and finally the HIRING of AREVA to do what this country could have done alone
    by Dean 6/8/2011 12:10:50 AM

  • NNSA is a very strong agency, very little scrutiny, tons of money...
    by Dean 6/8/2011 12:11:44 AM

  • Merkel is 10 GW short, thats a lot of power
    by WolfDK 6/8/2011 12:13:03 AM

  • I am still all in favor of non profit...
    by Dean 6/8/2011 12:13:43 AM

  • @Dean : this means nationalizing / socializing power companies.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:15:24 AM

  • and decentralizing.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:15:54 AM

  • @Edano Our power utilities have been more and more privatized over the decades. They used to be very accountable to the states they operated in, now nobody in state government will even question their actions. They have herds of lawyers that will go after any challenge to their actions. These clowns run at least 2 old BWR units in the region.
    by lillymunster 6/8/2011 12:16:17 AM

  • @lillymunster let me guess: vattenfall, eon, rwe ?
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:17:15 AM

  • @Edano Xcel. They are a hive of scum and villany.
    by lillymunster 6/8/2011 12:17:44 AM

  • something like that Edano.... not quite sure how but at the moment nuclear power is all about profits, share holders, etc. and in return very little public involvement. then when you add in ways to use the original design of the reactor safety envelope to incorporate new fuels systems the end is to accept more risk and reduce margins of safety to the unique facilities
    by Dean 6/8/2011 12:19:48 AM

  • we have vattenfall running 4 npps. in sweden, where they come from, they did not even get the permission to run a npp. but here, they just do it. without recommendation and experience.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:20:01 AM

  • be back in a bit
    by Dean 6/8/2011 12:21:43 AM

  • I live relative close to a German NPP and i am happy with knowing that, how many eq's and tsunamis have Germany had so far ? No the solution is not to scrap stuff before you have viable alternatives in production, the solution is to retrofit, inspect and repair. Something alike is happening with fossil fuels, governments trying to change the world and habbits within a 5 year timeframe.
    by WolfDK 6/8/2011 12:21:49 AM

  • @Dean : yes, dean, they put mox in the vessels, but do not revise the risk assession and the emergency plans at the same time. this is easy profit.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:22:55 AM

  • This one is actually publicly run but they have no real flood protection, is sited on a flood prone river and has been cited for safety failures. They had a fire the other night. I think it is a reluctance to shut down an old facility. I also don't know if the public utility contracts the actual running of the plant to another company. www.action3news.com
    www.action3news.com
    by lillymunster 6/8/2011 12:23:40 AM

  • @WolfDK : you should be informed about the accidents in Krümmel and Brokdorf ? these plants are so toast, that they have to be shutdown again after 3 weeks of half load.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:25:20 AM

  • not to forget Oberweser. all toast.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:26:00 AM

  • @Edano If you look at the historical record of TEPCO on Fuku 1, it is so obvious they are trying to milk as much out of that facility as possible no matter the risk. The shroud replacements, asking for long extensions on running them and running MOX. In some of the searching I did today I saw mentions of govt. subsidies to run MOX. I think it is a combination of subsidies and ways to extend profitability of these really old plants.
    by lillymunster 6/8/2011 12:26:28 AM

  • @Edano @WolfDK Aren't the Czechs increasing their nuclear programs in hopes of having to sell Germany power from that 10GW shrtage ?
    by Reed 6/8/2011 12:27:05 AM

  • @Reed the bill includes that no nuke power will be imported, not from france, not from czechia. czachia has national interests in not being dependent on russian gas, and they have an inferiority complex. so they think they are taking part in the business but they will awake in crucial dependencies, again.
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/8/2011 12:32:15 AM

  • Nuclear safety agency to become independent according to report for IAEA
    mdn.mainichi.jp
    "The report, whose details emerged on June 7, points out that the body in charge of nuclear safety straddled several government agencies and when the crisis unfolded, it was unclear where the responsibility for enduring the public's safety lay. The government will submit the report at an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) ministerial conference to open in Vienna on June 20.

    Under measures outlined in the report, electric power companies will be legally required to take measures to avoid severe nuclear accidents such as those in which reactor cores are damaged. The report concludes that "fundamental revisions to nuclear safety measures are inevitable." "
    by Reed 6/8/2011 12:33:26 AM

  • @Edano TYVM I did not know about that provision in the Bill.
    by Reed 6/8/2011 12:34:09 AM

  • I think this guy's getting higher-than-usually-report radiation 220 km (135 mi) South of Fukushima, maybe because he measures closer to the ground than most www.youtube.com www.youtube.com ??
    by Ian 6/8/2011 12:35:18 AM

  • @Edano Yes worn out plants should be shut down, actually they should have been retrofitted while there was time. But i do have faith in the Germans and i do not believe they will allow dangerous plants to stay online. Those plants you speak of are they located in the old DDR ? russian design ?
    by WolfDK 6/8/2011 12:35:22 AM

  • @Reed : the bill was elaborated by all parties, including the greens. it is a really big consens.
    by Edano 6/8/2011 12:35:59 AM

  • anyone seen this yet? High rad levels found in US & METI joint testing www.asahi.com
    by lillymunster 6/8/2011 12:36:04 AM

  • @Reed i dont know
    by WolfDK 6/8/2011 12:36:19 AM

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