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@jt Sorry, I sometimes get really frustrated......time for massive Student protest's.......which also seem to haver gone away here ((
by Veenie 6/13/2011 12:21:47 AM

@Veenie No not IAEA admission. GoJ stated things in report to IAEA that they hadn't stated to their own people. (From elainekirk twitter reports).
by jt 6/13/2011 12:21:55 AM

@RadioGuy about 1/4 of the articles that come through news feeds have a business or financial slant to them. At least once a week I get one talking about uranium markets or the futures on uranium.
I think your right that they don't want people in the US to contract more and not buy things. Weinergate doesn't make people worry about food safety or feel threatened.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 12:23:23 AM

@Veenie So the first some heard of the true extent of the problem was in foreign press reports, not from GoJ. @elainekirk are you there?
by jt 6/13/2011 12:23:43 AM

@jt yes
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 12:24:02 AM

@ do you recall the things that GoJ had in report that were picked up on twitter as not having been stated to people?
by jt 6/13/2011 12:24:52 AM

@Veenie There were huge protests in Jan-Feb in Wisconsin. They had about 300k people at one Saturday protest in Madison. The regular media didn't cover it. Images and official accounts are out there but you have to know to go find them. Protests in the middle east about political structure are divorced enough we get to see them. People in Japan, a country that is relatively relateable to someone in the US, if they are protesting and about nuclear power it might give people ideas to get off their couch or be worried here.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 12:26:10 AM

@all Good Morning...Good Evening...Hello!
by smoss 6/13/2011 12:30:32 AM

@smoss Morning!
by Angie 6/13/2011 12:30:41 AM

Date of GoJ report to IAEA was 7 June 2011? Is this correct? So tomorrow it will be just on a week since many of them realised the deception.
by jt 6/13/2011 12:31:14 AM

Thanks abc au... Thousands protest against nuclear power in Japan www.abc.net.au
by Panserbjorne9 6/13/2011 12:32:06 AM

@lillymunster Shows you, how little coverage the 300k got, i had no idea.....
True, when you go through Google you can find all sorts of NEWS .....BUT and that;s my main point, GOOGLE no longer GIVES you news !
by Veenie 6/13/2011 12:33:36 AM

Japan Amateur Radiation Sleuths Using Borrowed Geigers Seek Hidden Dangers www.bloomberg.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/13/2011 12:35:45 AM

@Panserbjorne9 Thanks, just pushed the AUS article !
by Veenie 6/13/2011 12:37:00 AM

@Veenie I saw how much of the WI protests were going completely un reported. I didn't have much use for the US media before that. There was a major labor protest that is STILL going on and most people in the US don't even know it. People slept in the capitol building for about a month. The place was occupied and jammed full of people 24-7. There is a tent city outside on the capitol lawn. The whole thing is just reality turned upside down and it gets no major coverage.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 12:39:18 AM

@lillymunster Ahh, you didn't mention UNION, cause we covered that .....
by Veenie 6/13/2011 12:41:19 AM

@all MOX fuel rods placed in storage pool
Plutonium-uranium mixed oxide (MOX) fuel rods are placed in a storage pool at the No. 3 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant in Okuma, Fukushima Prefecture. The photo was taken on Aug. 21, 2010. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp
by smoss 6/13/2011 12:42:18 AM

@smoss So if they were put in the pool in 2010 where were they since 1999?
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 12:45:00 AM

@nancy Can't confirm for sure where they where between 1999 and 2010. I do know that in 2010 they conducted visual inspections of the MOX fuel rods, as a way to appease local politicians. In my opinion, the Kyodo link is a bit of a PR move prior to insertion of MOX rods in reactor core.
by smoss 6/13/2011 12:47:59 AM

@nancy In September 1999, 32 MOX fuel assemblies arrived at the Fukushima I-3 plant and have been stored there ever since. Over ten years later, TEPCO began inspections of the integrity of the fuel on February 25 this year. However, these are only visual inspections. cnic.jp ***I am currentyly searching for potential documentation sent to the court, as it may pertain to the visual inspections.***
by smoss 6/13/2011 12:49:56 AM

@nancy Current safeguards inspection criteria require that fresh MOX
fuel assemblies are verified on a monthly basis (by evaluation of C/S measures and/or item
counting, identification and gross defect measurement) and these inspections require
considerable inspection effort (e.g. it has been reported that16 out of a total of 167 LWRs
inspected by the Agency in 1999 used MOX fuel, but that these 16 (10%) of the reactors
consumed over 20% of the Agency’s inspection effort at LWRs).
by smoss 6/13/2011 12:52:25 AM

broken link below - www-pub.iaea.org
by smoss 6/13/2011 12:53:12 AM

In the SFP Aug. 21, 2010. in preparation for the authorization, loaded in September? Is that the timeline?
by RadioGuy 6/13/2011 12:54:53 AM

@smoss I have said it before and I will say it again 'You are Brilliant'
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 12:55:09 AM

@smoss Hmm interesting info. I am still reading the Greenpeace paper.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 12:55:17 AM

@Radioguy. Mox was loaded in Sept or Oct depending on what source you believe. So Aug 2010 would be prep for installation. TEPCO made a big dog and pony show out of it.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 12:56:00 AM

@RadioGuy They were photographed by Kyodo in the SFP Aug. 21, 2010...that's all I can say for sure.
by smoss 6/13/2011 12:56:54 AM

@elainekirk Blushing! (Do I have an avatar tonight...can't see me!)
by smoss 6/13/2011 12:57:43 AM

I agree these were the pre-load PR still designed to look all clean and professional and not at all dangerous, kind of a comforting blue, really...
by RadioGuy 6/13/2011 12:58:29 AM

More on the Aug 2010 events (translated) www.houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 12:59:17 AM

The other TEPCO MOX document. I think we might have an answer to the flashes. The end of the article talks about Cherenkov light and how it needs water to make the glowing. We see the flashes when there is steam and frequently damp air. Maybe that is enough water to cause the flashes?
www.houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 1:02:33 AM

@jt by no means the only example but adequate to show that there was an outcry . The www.yomiuri.co.jp got hold of the goj report to iaea on the 7th and reported on the 8th that there had been melt throughs in 3 reactors, this was the first the Japanese people had heard of it and quite naturally were very annoyed that they had found out through the media via the goj iaea report and that goj hadnt had the respect to inform them first
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 1:03:58 AM

As TEPCO was trying to get MOX approval from the local govt. they started public tours. IIRC 1999 was around the time of the beautification project at the plant. The blue cloud paint jobs, removing the red stripes on the towers, all the landscaping etc. They were going to some lengths to sell this to the local public.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 1:08:01 AM

@smoss I can see you and you are clothed
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 1:10:34 AM

@elainekirk thanks very much. Indeed it is adequate. So if reported on the 8th, it was just 5 days ago.
by jt 6/13/2011 1:11:53 AM

@veenie are you ready for some work? here you go then lets see if people can ignore this holyfirejapan.blogspot.com
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 1:24:00 AM

@jt I think Steve has put it very clearly in his blog(link below) , I want to cry
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 1:25:32 AM

Hi all! I've been out for a few hours..any new developments? I see 4 is still steaming away....
by LM 6/13/2011 1:26:34 AM

@elainekirk Yes. The horrific conclusion that they have no control over the situation.
by jt 6/13/2011 1:29:06 AM

@all As it pertains to Japanese ability to domestically fabricate MOX FAs: insaf-net.org It appears to me (chart on Page 3) that they were successful in producing MOX FAs for BWR, as early as 1985...Tsuruga #1.
by smoss 6/13/2011 1:29:43 AM

@elainekirk : i think he played too much "Fallout 3".
by Edano 6/13/2011 1:31:48 AM

@all Page 5 in this document seems to back up the same conclusion, that Japan can produce MOX FAs for BWR... www.jaea.go.jp
by smoss 6/13/2011 1:32:59 AM

www3.nhk.or.jp

Over 60% see no prospect of reconstruction
An NHK survey of municipalities affected by the March 11th disasters has found more than 60 percent of them see little or no prospect of reconstruction.  The mayors of 42 cities, towns and villages in Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima responded to the survey.  6 mayors, including those of Otsuchi Town in Iwate Prefecture and Fukushima's Namie Town said there is no prospect of reconstruction.  […]
by jt 6/13/2011 1:33:52 AM

@edano possibly but we arent in his shoes living with radiation in chiba with children and a pregnant wife I think he may be trying to make people listen using poetic licence but I dont think he has overstated his situation 'as he sees it at this moment in time'
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 1:37:49 AM