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@smoss in your link below on page 21: 4. Safety of MOX Facility
4-5 Trouble experiences in MOX facilities of JNC
JNC has experience in handling MOX over 35 years’, however trouble affecting an environment has not been occurred

Examples of experienced trouble
June 1986
Plastic/Vinyl bag containing plutonium can was broken during safeguards inspection. 12 personnel were contaminated by plutonium.

June 1993
A heater of a continuous furnace was broken by a failure of transferring of trays within furnace.

Examples of minor incident
January 1999
A operator was suffered by contamination due the breakage of protection glove by electric tool during dismantling operation.
by jt 6/13/2011 1:41:45 AM

@jt Yes...The History of MOX in Japan definately has had it's "issues"!
by smoss 6/13/2011 1:43:51 AM

g'night all
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 1:44:25 AM

@smoss Thanks for the link. Very informative.
by jt 6/13/2011 1:44:30 AM

@elainekirk Good Night! @jt I value the fact that this does become a true group effort!
by smoss 6/13/2011 1:45:29 AM

Nite Elaine!
by LM 6/13/2011 1:47:26 AM

Cool, Elaine is gone ? ....fiiiiiiiiiigghttt
by Veenie 6/13/2011 1:47:51 AM

Nite Elaine!
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 1:48:00 AM

@smoss before I go tepco has other bits which are interesting like tepco this and tepco that...I believe that as a power company they are allowed plutonium holdings;)
by elainekirk 6/13/2011 1:48:59 AM

@elainekirk If power companies are allowed to have their own plutonium holdings, then are they likewise required to report those holdings to the IAEA (like nation-states are)?
by smoss 6/13/2011 1:52:51 AM

According to this Rokkasu (sp?) has not made it to the point they were producing MOX, they were still in the building process and had some delays mentioned in the media. The other facility the PFDC experimental facility cranked out lots of MOX. insaf-net.org
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 1:56:10 AM

@lilly @smoss All the MOX rods in SFP 3 were placed in the core in Sept., correct?
by LM 6/13/2011 1:57:57 AM

back for a bit..
by dean 6/13/2011 1:59:33 AM

Hey I know this is off topic, but I found it interesting that Ethiopia has had 15 earthquakes in the last 10 hours over 4.0...some interesting seismic activity!
by LM 6/13/2011 2:01:38 AM

by Reed 6/13/2011 2:03:15 AM

@Dean Hi! @Reed Thanks for posting the latest Gundersen video.
by LM 6/13/2011 2:13:01 AM

I'm Here too Hi @Reed and Dean and LM.....
by carabnr 6/13/2011 2:22:24 AM

Wow 10 hot particles inhaled in Tokyo sounds serious.
by carabnr 6/13/2011 2:23:25 AM

@lillymunster Any discussion anywhere of scenarios for MOX under 'mal-operation,
disorder/fire/explosion' pg 13 and 16 of your link. What happens?
by jt 6/13/2011 2:23:41 AM

@LM There is a volcano(s) in that region in Eithiopia. Zoom in using a google terrain map to see it/them. I don't know its name or its history.
by jt 6/13/2011 2:26:39 AM

Geiger counters don't detect alpha and beta radiation. Humm. metalic taste.... Bad news? By the way I got my intervew edit done and Im trying to down load to you tube but I think it's too long, just under 20 minutes. Well see.... I hope to get it up by tomorrow
by carabnr 6/13/2011 2:27:00 AM

@jt Thanks for that. I had no idea. Wow...the volcanos are really activating worldwide.
by LM 6/13/2011 2:28:27 AM

@carabnr Hi!
by LM 6/13/2011 2:28:49 AM

@jt There are mentions all over the place about it being more volatile, melts faster, puts out some nastier isotopes etc. I am still going through the Greenpeace and some other articles as I have time. The guy who wrote the Greenpeace article wrote a bunch of other articles warning how unsafe it was to run MOX so I am still digging through all this source material trying to piece together the details of what mox does under bad conditions.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 2:29:34 AM

Hi LM.@ Nancy and jt Sorry if Im intruding in your MOX conversation, oh it's not MOX but Volcanoes in Ethiopia.
by carabnr 6/13/2011 2:30:18 AM

@lillymunster good to know. Seems to be the right question.
by jt 6/13/2011 2:32:54 AM

Volcanoes in Ethiopia: i52.tinypic.com
by jt via I52.tinypic 6/13/2011 2:37:13 AM

@jt One of the concerns raised was that inadequate mixing when they make the fuel pellets could cause "hot spots" where more plutonium could be concentrated and it can cause damage to the cladding. It is easy to see how something like that could have caused issues as the rods overheated.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 2:37:54 AM

@Lilly Have you confirmed that there are no MOX assemblies in 3's SFP?
by LM 6/13/2011 2:39:36 AM

Page 9 if your morbidly curious. archive.greenpeace.org
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 2:39:37 AM

@ All Sorry, I'm feeling a bit disgruntled after I completed my papers, Nancy refused to share her resources in Japan. I've been holding back all week.
by carabnr 6/13/2011 2:40:28 AM

@carabnr I'm looking forward to your interview. Thanks for all your hard work!
by LM 6/13/2011 2:41:55 AM

@lillymunster Thanks.
by jt 6/13/2011 2:42:08 AM

@LM TY, Iv'e been busting my ass trying to figure this stuff out. But I get a little fed up with the politics here. I think we need to have a meeting on the tsunami of tears site, to get some organizational stuff in order.
by carabnr 6/13/2011 2:44:04 AM

@carabnr I have a number of contacts that do not want their information shared. Sorry I am not going to potentially get someone in trouble in Japan or disclose someone's contact information without their permission. You really don't know what your asking me. You have caused me and some other people enough headaches already.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 2:44:42 AM

The MOX produced for Fukushima was found to have larger hot spots than the rejected batches from BNSF
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 2:47:13 AM

@all Nuclear material accountancy is not the same as nuclear material accounting. Nuclear material accounting is what a state does and what a facility operator does. It is really all the bookkeeping that is associated with measuring nuclear materials, establishing material balance areas, taking inventories and the like. Nuclear material accountancy is what the IAEA does, which includes everything that the state and facility does plus some magic - some heavy dose of politics that converts a lot of numbers into a political statement that "there is no evidence that there has been a diversion of nuclear materials in a given year in a particular state." So the difference between accounting and accountancy is this heavy dose of subjectivity, politics, magic and all sorts of things that really should not be in there - because we really need a more stringent system of international oversight of what a state actually does to verify that its own nuclear material inventories are intact.
www.ieer.org
by smoss 6/13/2011 2:55:32 AM

@LM We still are not sure about MOX being in the #3 SFP. The load of MOX that was shipped to Fuku was put in the reactor. The reason people started poking around into the Japan MOX program was to determine what MOX is where in the country. TEPCO had a load of MOX sitting at another reactor that they can't legally use it in. Smoss found all this info on their domestic MOX production. So we have not found an official second shipment from out of the country to Fuku. A domestic movement, production or other is the unknown.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 2:55:59 AM

OK I'll not discuss it here because someone doesn't want their name tarnished. But in my opinion Nancy is hoarding glory. I just think that the people should be heard, if not here then somewhere else. If Nancy was really interested in helping the workers suffering from heat storke she would help out even if she didn't like the fact that I snent her several versions of my papers. I've never published before and don't know the in's and outs of it. Simply info is not widely read, and if you publish there, you may not be able to publish other places. @ Mod go ahead and erase this if you choose to, but freedom of speech is what this country was built on. Nancy did, with hold my paper in favor of her offensive one.
by carabnr 6/13/2011 2:56:45 AM

@carabnr I have withheld nothing from anywhere. Now this has nothing to do with tech. There are multiple people with the ability to publish to the group website. Go bother one of them about your paper. The last I heard you did not want it published because you were going to news papers with it. people honored your request.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 2:58:51 AM

@carabnr While I am flattered you think I have some sort of magical powers with the media to get your paper noticed I don't.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 2:59:53 AM

@Lilly Thanks. I must admit the lack of attention to 3- given it's horrific state- makes me wonder if we have more to worry about. Hopefully we'll get answers someday. Thanks again to both you and smoss for all of your research..I'm a mediocre Googler!
by LM 6/13/2011 2:59:57 AM

@LM Smoss has been doing lots of the research. TEPCO made a mention about their worries of #3 getting worse or possibly exploding again. That was concerning. I thought we were past that.
by lillymunster 6/13/2011 3:01:09 AM

@lillymunster It's really fascinating how deftly they deflect attention from 1 unit to the next. It's an interesting game of cat and mouse...I have definitely been concerned about 3 and appreciate the research done on MOX. It might explain a lot about the explosion and current situation.
by LM 6/13/2011 3:26:22 AM

@all For instance, a nuclear reactor that has only low enriched uranium or spent fuel has to be inspected about four times a year to meet this timeliness goal. But if a facility has fresh MOX fuel, which is not irradiated and has plutonium in it, it has to be inspected once a month. www.ieer.org ***Still hunting for proof that these inspections took place...***
by smoss 6/13/2011 3:28:35 AM