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by Angie 6/14/2011 11:29:08 PM
So if that spray only adheres to radioactive surfaces those chunks were radiated before they started their journey?by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:29:42 PM
@Angie, the race went well, I finished ha ha...came in probably upper 15 % of riders.. first one for the year, next in 2 weeks (Great job!! Good luck for the next one - Angie)by dean edited by Angie 6/14/2011 11:29:58 PM- hi elaineby dean 6/14/2011 11:30:01 PM
- throwing a mop down Veen's isle,,, blue glow I'm staying away..by dean 6/14/2011 11:30:42 PM
@dean Oh, a Voyer...lolby Veenie 6/14/2011 11:31:29 PM- @edano the lawyers - do you think it will worrk or will it just be thrown out? I think they are going to keep leccy production low to show the people that 'they cannot manage without nuclear'by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:33:16 PM
@dean , thanks. This means that people went into the basement of the reactor buildings repeatedly during the meltdown to turn the valves, correct?by Peter Melzer 6/14/2011 11:35:23 PM- from that post I put up a bit ago, by the time they finally decided to try.. the rad level was too high to go in and, it was different for each unit @Peterby dean 6/14/2011 11:37:27 PM
- Mr. Yoshida wanted to vent as soon as possible, but Mr. Muto was skeptical whether venting would work, the person said, requesting anonymity because he is still an adviser to the government and is not permitted to comment publicly. “There was hesitation, arguments and sheer confusion over what to do,” he said.
The executives did not give the order to begin venting until Saturday — more than 17 hours after the tsunami struck and 6 hours after the government order to vent.
As workers scrambled to comply with their new directive, they faced a cascading series of complications.
The venting system is designed to be operated from the control room, but operators’ attempts to turn it on failed, most likely because the power to open critical valves was out. The valves are designed so they can also be opened manually, but by that time, workers found radiation levels near the venting system at Reactor No. 1 were already too high to approach, according to Tokyo Electric’s records.
At Reactor No. 2, workers tried to manually open the safety valves, but pressure did not fall inside the reactor, making it unclear whether venting was successful, the records show. At Reactor No. 3, workers tried seven times to manually open the valve, but it kept closing, the records say.by dean 6/14/2011 11:39:13 PM 
@elainekirk i hope the lawyers will kick'em ass ! :)by Edano edited by Edano 6/14/2011 11:41:29 PM- www.houseofjapan.com some more info on the confusionby dean 6/14/2011 11:41:32 PM
- so going on that information the readings for the first hours will never be published because workers would have been sent into buildings the company kneew they shouldnt be in without protection ?by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:43:10 PM
- @edano I think the people will have to get a lot more angry and stay angry if the lawyers are to winby elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:44:03 PM
- online.wsj.com desperate hours at fukushimaby dean 6/14/2011 11:49:27 PM
Big thanks to whoever posted the radiation paper on simplyinfo and converted it to html ... it looks better now!by Bobby1 6/14/2011 11:50:59 PM- How Japan expects to recover when they pull this kind of stunt is beyond comprehension translate.google.comby elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:53:25 PM
- nice job Bobbyby dean 6/14/2011 11:54:47 PM
- #Edano Aus Berlin.RT Der Alptraum, über den nicht mehr geredet wird: keine Ahnung, keine Mittel, keinen Plan #Fukushima:: ping.fm”by Veenie 6/14/2011 11:54:55 PM
- @dean , thanks for this info. Perhaps the guys who went in to attempt to turn the valves in units 2 and 3 are the ones with the high internal doses. I came across this notion of valves returning to the default position after they were manually actuated in a slightly different context. NRC inspectors suggested that RCIC torus suction valves might behave like that at Quad Cities NPP: www.docstoc.comby Peter Melzer 6/14/2011 11:54:58 PM
@Dean Hi! Question for you.....If the zircaloy in the SFPs were superheating but had not caught fire yet would it give off a grey smoke? We've been seeing grey wisps coming off the units for a few days now and it seems a little different.by LM 6/14/2011 11:58:10 PM
www.japantimes.co.jp
Banri Kaieda
Despite crisis, nuclear to remain core energy source: Kaieda
Kyodo
Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry Banri Kaieda pledged at a government panel meeting earlier this month to do his "utmost" to get idled nuclear reactors back on line and said nuclear power will remain a core energy source for Japan.
The pledge, revealed in the undisclosed minutes of the meeting, apparently reflect a backlash by Kaieda's ministry against Prime Minister Naoto Kan's plan to develop energy-conservation measures and renewable energy as a pillar of national energy policy...
search.japantimes.co.jpby estacion via Japantimes.co.jp 6/15/2011 12:03:43 AM
@Edano Cry havoc and let slip...the lawyers!by lillymunster 6/15/2011 12:04:21 AM- @Veenie : the good old "taz" was the only german newspaper that collected and published radiation data and food measurings in the chernobyl time. the official readings were censored. they coordinated local groups to cover the entire country with independent readings. that was a very well organized network without internet.by Edano 6/15/2011 12:05:12 AM
mainichi.jp
translate of the meti inspectors doing wrong tests leading to faulty valve in #3 not being noticed I will see if I can find english doc translate.google.comby elainekirk via Mainichi.jp 6/15/2011 12:06:34 AM- @dean , if that story you posted for me is true, somebody must have gone into the building of unit 1 on Saturday morning to open the vent valves by hand.by Peter Melzer 6/15/2011 12:07:20 AM
- I bet they did also Peter.. I saw one article where the operators were taking batteries out of cars and trucks that flooded in to the area to have battery power to the instruments etc.by dean 6/15/2011 12:08:31 AM
- be back..by dean 6/15/2011 12:08:37 AM
- elaine, that's a good question which would need to be researched... I'll try to do that when I get back..by dean 6/15/2011 12:10:04 AM
- After going through the venting story, it is quite clear why some crew have incorporated high doses of iodine. They must be the guys who volunteered to vent the suppression chambers manually in the reactor buildings.by Peter Melzer 6/15/2011 12:20:51 AM
ASIA NEWSJUNE 14, 2011, 7:52 P.M. ET
An Earlier Fukushima Alert
Nine months before the March earthquake and tsunami cut off power to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, one of its reactors suffered a loss of electricity under much more mundane circumstances: A maintenance worker from a subcontractor accidentally bumped an electronic switch with his elbow. online.wsj.comby Panserbjorne9 6/15/2011 12:33:06 AM- Flash News
06/14/2011 19:54
Radioactive cesium was found in meat from two whales recently caught off Hokkaido, but at levels within the government's provisional safety limits.
www.yomiuri.co.jpby estacion 6/15/2011 12:35:25 AM - @Panserbjorne9 Found the full version, WSJ likes to hide them online.wsj.comby lillymunster 6/15/2011 12:36:38 AM
- @lillymunster thanks. It worked for me when I opened it straight from google, but I was betting pasting here would kill it.by Panserbjorne9 6/15/2011 12:38:42 AM
- @Panserbjorne9 All the ones I get from google feeds are the short ones so I got in the habit of running off to find the full version. It might be a cookie one of us has that the other doesn't?
I don't think we found this incident in all the mining of TEPCO documents. If they made sure this didn't end up in public information what else have the buried away?by lillymunster 6/15/2011 12:42:12 AM - Hey, watch TBS cam, what the heck is this?by estacion 6/15/2011 12:42:21 AM
- @estacion what? I don't see anything odd?by lillymunster 6/15/2011 12:45:01 AM
- @estacion there was something 3-4 like a plumeby elainekirk 6/15/2011 12:45:57 AM
- not 34 1-2by elainekirk 6/15/2011 12:46:27 AM
- Did you see it?
It was like a gigantic trafic cone sailing behind the plant. Now is beside stack #1by estacion 6/15/2011 12:46:54 AM - the red and white stripe thing?by lillymunster 6/15/2011 12:47:27 AM
- Yupby estacion 6/15/2011 12:47:46 AM
- Now it is slowly moving to the right. Not anything I recognizeby lillymunster 6/15/2011 12:48:54 AM
- Will dock at the port Daiichiby estacion 6/15/2011 12:51:09 AM
- It could be the giant crane that appeared alongside the model of the building to cover the reactor?by estacion 6/15/2011 12:56:12 AM
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