Japan Earthquake | Page 1658

  • @elainekirk There was a link here recently that had Kan's assistant say the fuel had reached dry ground, this was dismissed as a mistranslation. Koide's opinion here is a corroboration, he is saying the strontium-90 increasing 200 times under unit #2 is evidence that fuel is coming into contact with groundwater.
    by Bobby1 6/16/2011 8:05:37 PM

  • @Nancy Oh yes they are filling the header tanks @bobby I am not a techi but I have many times posted stuff that was mistranslated and deleted it
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 8:11:28 PM

  • @markfm thanks, could someone please tell me why I am or modded
    by fitter 6/16/2011 8:13:47 PM

  • @Bobby1 , if true, this would be THE CHINA SYNDROME, in opposite direction though.
    by Peter Melzer 6/16/2011 8:14:37 PM

  • @Peter Melzer who doubts ?
    by Edano 6/16/2011 8:16:39 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I suppose it's called the America Syndrome over there.
    by Bobby1 6/16/2011 8:17:47 PM

  • they can found a corium research facility in fuku.
    by Edano 6/16/2011 8:19:36 PM

  • @Edano , @Bobby1, we must solicite some help to have the info translated properly, also the NISA instructions that tepco does not wish to translate. A total burnthrough would constitute an important milestone in this tragedy.
    by Peter Melzer 6/16/2011 8:22:08 PM

  • @peter if #2 went early through would that explain no hydrogen explosion ? sorry not very techi
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 8:24:37 PM

  • @Peter Melzer It's frustrating to have to rely on online translators. ex-skf is the only blogger regularly translating. Prof. Koide regularly appears on radio and TV shows over there.
    by Bobby1 6/16/2011 8:26:04 PM

  • @peter I will go find the meti doc they have to publish an english version it just needs hunting down
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 8:27:40 PM

  • Fukushima: It's much worse than you think
    Scientific experts believe Japan's nuclear disaster to be far worse than governments are revealing to the public.
    "Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind," Arnold Gundersen, a former nuclear industry senior vice president, told Al Jazeera.
    "Fukushima has three nuclear reactors exposed and four fuel cores exposed," he said, "You probably have the equivalent of 20 nuclear reactor cores because of the fuel cores, and they are all in desperate need of being cooled, and there is no means to cool them effectively."

    "The fuels are now a molten blob at the bottom of the reactor," Gundersen added. "TEPCO announced they had a melt through. A melt down is when the fuel collapses to the bottom of the reactor, and a melt through means it has melted through some layers. That blob is incredibly radioactive, and now you have water on top of it. The water picks up enormous amounts of radiation, so you add more water and you are generating hundreds of thousands of tons of highly radioactive water."

    "We are discovering hot particles everywhere in Japan, even in Tokyo," he said. "Scientists are finding these everywhere. Over the last 90 days these hot particles have continued to fall and are being deposited in high concentrations. A lot of people are picking these up in car engine air filters."

    Radioactive air filters from cars in Fukushima prefecture and Tokyo are now common, and Gundersen says his sources are finding radioactive air filters in the greater Seattle area of the US as well.
    More: english.aljazeera.net
    by joniver 6/16/2011 8:29:44 PM

  • "radioactive air filters in the greater Seattle area of the US as well".
    by joniver 6/16/2011 8:31:10 PM

  • @Peter Melzer You are totally correct on the translation issue, i have watched many a post regarding the mechanical end here that is not even close, and is actually disproved on other post due to the translation of goggle and some of the media reports we are posting...
    by fitter 6/16/2011 8:32:34 PM

  • Actually it would be the South Atlantic Syndrome.
    www.antipodemap.com
    by joniver 6/16/2011 8:32:49 PM

  • @elainekirk , unit #2 may not have seen an explosion because the operators opened a hole in the wall to release the gas. The radioactivity is supposed to have originated inside or beneath unit 1.
    by Peter Melzer 6/16/2011 8:39:44 PM

  • @peter ty I have great dificulty understanding why #1 (the smallest) is getting so much attention ... then now my head wants to know whhat meti have asked about #2 ....so strange the mox unit so far down pecking order...unless...
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 8:44:21 PM

  • @elainekirk : because it melted down so rapidly. it is the oldest with the oldest material and the most design flares. i tend to agree it's the most dangerous.
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/16/2011 8:46:55 PM

  • @elainekirk , I suppose because it is the oldest unit (in one of the Japanese news articles this morning they said it is the first nuclear power reactor built in Japan) and it saw the fastest meltdown. That is, the fuel melted within a few hours on the day of the quake/tsunami. The fuel in the others melted through a day plus later *. There was little chance of water cooling, because somebody switched the ECCS off. As a consequence most fuel left the RPV and probably is the furthest along in the process of this notorious syndrome.

    * two days later :)
    by Peter Melzer edited by Edano 6/16/2011 8:54:55 PM

  • French government to replace Areva CEO - "Atomic Anne"
    in.reuters.com
    by Diane_NJ 6/16/2011 8:56:41 PM

  • @peter ty
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:00:00 PM

  • @edano I never thought of it that way till you & peter explained ty
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:00:41 PM

  • @elainekirk : i just thought my post is invisible ;) pheww
    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:01:30 PM

  • @edano no I just forget and press return without thinking to hold shift down
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:03:38 PM

  • another point not discussed entirely is, that #3 exploded before entire meltdown (resp. core breach), while 1+2 exploded after complete meltdown. this makes me think a lot - maybe it's the mox ?
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/16/2011 9:06:24 PM

  • @Edano , thanks, my memory is not very good on such facts. We had a nice comparative table posted not long ago listing the estimated points in time for the meltdowns of the three units
    .
    by Peter Melzer 6/16/2011 9:07:35 PM

  • @edano have they any real research into how that mox will behave?
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:07:37 PM

  • Fukushima to cut hiring of teachers as nuclear crisis strikes student population
    mdn.mainichi.jp
    by Panserbjorne9 6/16/2011 9:07:45 PM

  • Search for missing intensifies in disaster-hit areas www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by Panserbjorne9 6/16/2011 9:08:23 PM

  • @Edano , most hydrogen was supposed to be produced in unit 3.
    by Peter Melzer 6/16/2011 9:09:32 PM

  • @elainekirk : it produces higher temps and more pressure and twice the radiation. that's what i read.
    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:09:45 PM

  • @Peter Melzer : ah, the fuel pool ?
    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:10:11 PM

  • so if twice the radiation why are they not attempting to cover it ?
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:12:10 PM

  • @Edano , but the mox rods were in the reactor.
    by Peter Melzer 6/16/2011 9:12:17 PM

  • this is the pic that predicts a 7+ eq soon

    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:12:55 PM

  • and this the meltdown times

    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:14:01 PM

  • @Peter Melzer : but the puel fools supposedly needed more time than the vessels to fall dry. remains the question why #3 exploded before core breach.
    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:18:33 PM

  • @Edano , that is the table, thanks. I must think about your question more.
    by Peter Melzer 6/16/2011 9:20:33 PM

  • this is the original instruction from meti to tepco to give details of plans for number 2 www.nisa.meti.go.jp
    NOTE - I think we need to find the #1 doc reading this section

    3. This is to inform the public that taking the above into consideration,
    NISA requested TEPCO to submit a report pursuant to the provisions of
    Article 67, Paragraph 1 of Act on the Regulation of Nuclear Source
    Materials, Nuclear Fuel Materials and Reactors, in the same way when
    the double doors of the reactor buildings for Unit 1 were left continuously
    open.
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:23:05 PM

  • @elainekirk : does this mean, they are not yet allowed to open the doors ?
    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:26:41 PM

  • @Peter Melzer If we have something small that is important and needs translating dh usually shows up in the evening (US time) and will translate small amounts of text if you ask nice. :-)
    by lillymunster 6/16/2011 9:27:11 PM

  • wow !

    French Embassy to celebrate revolution anniversary in Fukushima


    TOKYO, June 16, Kyodo
    english.kyodonews.jp

    and areva pays for the party !
    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:30:28 PM

  • @edano I am not sure because they got the instruction re 2 on the 8th so they could have responded and got permission I need to find the doc giving prmission to open #1's doors
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:38:57 PM

  • @elainekirk i found this:
    "The utility plans to open the doors after obtaining approval from the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency and local governments. ... Thursday, June 16, 2011 18:13 +0900 (JST)" www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 6/16/2011 9:40:31 PM

  • @panser ty for earlier links just tweeting them
    by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:40:50 PM

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