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Hi this is really interesting I've been lurking for a while. Just wanted to say thanks.by Ms hot mess 6/16/2011 9:41:01 PM
Maybe we need to keep an eye on these little gems flowing twixt tepco and meti www.nisa.meti.go.jp
Regarding a Receipt of an Application for Approval to Amend the
Operational Safety Program of Nuclear Facilities with the
Establishment of the “Fukushima Dai-ichi Stabilization Center”
at Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Station, Tokyo Electric
Power Co. Inc.by elainekirk 6/16/2011 9:49:54 PM
What's the down-low on hot, oozing corium of late? Strontium in the groundwater is quite disturbing.
Evacuation urged for radioactive hot spots
Recommendation to leave limited areas outside 20-km zone won't be mandatory
search.japantimes.co.jpby Rob in SF 6/16/2011 9:52:26 PM
@Rob in SF I don't remember seeing anything new out of TEPCo at least not in press releases or regular news sources. They are all about the tents this week. Seems like a big distraction.by lillymunster 6/16/2011 10:07:27 PM- @rob you gather a lot of links can you remember seeing meti give permission for #1 double doors to be left open?by elainekirk 6/16/2011 10:09:50 PM
- @elainekirk NISA statement about doing the same at 2 www.nisa.meti.go.jpby lillymunster edited by Edano 6/16/2011 10:20:14 PM
- @nancy yipee thankyby elainekirk 6/16/2011 10:20:47 PM
- I cannot find approval nor the tepco reports but will keep lookingby elainekirk 6/16/2011 10:30:59 PM
NUCLEAR CRISIS: HOW IT HAPPENED / Time needed for fresh start of N-power policy (17 June, 2011): www.yomiuri.co.jpby es 6/16/2011 10:37:32 PM- the first diagram says start Aug Oct anybody know what they are refering to?
www.tepco.co.jp
Regarding Installation of Processing Facilities for Accumulated Water with High Concentration of Radioactive Materials and Storage Facilities at Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Station, Tokyo Electric Power Co. Inc.by elainekirk 6/16/2011 10:39:33 PM - @elainekirk - Re: METI double-doors. In May?...
"TEPCO opened a set of double doors between the building and a turbine building on May 8 so the workers could access the reactor building. With the doors open, low-temperature air in the turbine building flowed into the reactor building, which was filled with high-temperature air.
As a result, air in the reactor building, which contained radioactive materials, was forced outside the building through cracks in the ceiling.
However, because the amount of radioactive material discharged was extremely small, radiation levels around the No. 1 reactor were unchanged, TEPCO officials said."
www.asahi.comby Rob in SF 6/16/2011 10:42:55 PM 
english.aljazeera.net has an interview with Arnie Gundersen in which he says. "We are already seeing Strontium [at] 250 times the allowable limits in the water table at Fukushima. "
Anyone know what numbers he's quoting on this?by radioguy 6/16/2011 10:44:16 PM- METI double doors... www.nisa.meti.go.jpby Rob in SF 6/16/2011 10:44:36 PM
- @radioguy - 240 times... www.abc.net.auby Rob in SF 6/16/2011 10:45:31 PM
- @Rob in SF Right. Hot air. It rises. And then blows away. Of course there's none around R1...by radioguy 6/16/2011 10:45:58 PM
- @rob I havent found yet when they got approval to leave the doors open so it is entirely possible that they have been open since may 8th?
the meti doc re #2 you just posted has this in it
", Nuclear Fuel Materials and Reactors, in the same way when
the double doors of the reactor buildings for Unit 1 were left continuously
open. "by elainekirk 6/16/2011 10:46:59 PM - @radioguy - They sure are good at inanity.by Rob in SF 6/16/2011 10:47:04 PM
so the magical machines suck out some of the cesium, but nothing else. no strontium, plutonium, americium. where do they want to store this still hot water afterwards ?by Edano 6/16/2011 10:47:15 PM- @Rob in SF I missed that story. That sucks. Not that it's unexpected, just that if that's there, then so is a whole bucket of worse and worst.by radioguy 6/16/2011 10:47:34 PM
- @edano
(3) Storage Facilities for Waste with High Concentration of
Radioactive Materials
On one hand, purified processed water will be generated from the
processing of the Contaminated Water, and simultaneously,
removed waste with high concentration of radioactive materials
will also be generated. Used Cesium stacks (about 400 bars)
from the Cesium adsorption device, as well as highly
concentrated waste sludge (about 2,000 m3
), will also result.
These secondary products will be stored in special provisional
storage facilities. The cesium-adsorption bars will be stored in
an outside concrete box culvert system, while the sludge will be
stored in pellet storage tanks in the Process Main Building.
www.nisa.meti.go.jpby elainekirk 6/16/2011 10:47:58 PM - @Rob in SF I know. In the story they flat tell you lt rose fast out the top of the building. And then what? It stopped there?by radioguy 6/16/2011 10:48:24 PM
- Soring heavily contaminated cesium stacks in concrete culverts !!!!!!by elainekirk 6/16/2011 10:48:41 PM
- @Edano They are going to reuse it? Since now the nasty CS is gone?by radioguy 6/16/2011 10:49:14 PM
- by Rob in SF 6/16/2011 10:49:37 PM
- @radioguy i thought they want to get rid of it in reasonbable times. ?by Edano 6/16/2011 10:50:38 PM
- @elainekirk : i gave you a link from today where it say they are still waiting for the approval to open #2.by Edano 6/16/2011 10:51:59 PM
- Arnie knows how to put things in terms that make your rads tingle.
"Fukushima has three nuclear reactors exposed and four fuel cores exposed,” he said, “You probably have the equivalent of 20 nuclear reactor cores because of the fuel cores, and they are all in desperate need of being cooled, and there is no means to cool them effectively.”by radioguy 6/16/2011 10:52:03 PM - @radioguy - "lt rose fast out the top of the building. And then what? It stopped there?"
And then all those really heavy radioactive molecules fell right back down into the reactor. That'll buff right out. ;)by Rob in SF 6/16/2011 10:52:06 PM - lolby radioguy 6/16/2011 10:52:27 PM
- Scandal and outrage plagues poor Japan...
HIDDEN AGENDA: Moves to oust Kan may be linked to politicians in TEPCO's pocket
www.asahi.comby Rob in SF 6/16/2011 10:55:14 PM - @edano yes it says in the doc they gave approval for #1Iby elainekirk 6/16/2011 10:57:51 PM
- Not sure if this link/paper has been posted:
ABSTRACT:
Modal parameters determined from response measured in dynamic tests and from analytical models for Simulating the tests and two subsequent earthquakes experienced by the containment building of Unit 1 of the Fukushima Power Station complex in Japan are compared for the purpose of evaluating the effectiveness of the dynamic tests in earthquake response prediction. The tests are found to have led to the correct identification of a fundamental frequency. The lack of agreement between test- and earthquake-determined modeshapes and damping is attributable more to the shortcomings of the simulation models than to differences in actual behavior.
Full paper: www.nrc.govby Rob in SF 6/16/2011 10:58:27 PM - @Rob in SF Kan want's to put the nuclear power companies out of business.by lillymunster 6/16/2011 11:01:37 PM
The model actually looks like fun. But it seems like a decent typhoon will rip that thing to shreds...
www.asahicom.jpby Rob in SF via Asahicom.jp 6/16/2011 11:02:22 PM- @radioguy - "just that if that's there, then so is a whole bucket of worse and worst."
We can only imagine. The contamination of the groundwater won't be evenly dispersed. The levels could be orders of magnitudes higher.
@lillymunster - Ahh, of course. No wonder he HAS to go.by Rob in SF 6/16/2011 11:08:09 PM - Well it's been reported by NRC cores are ex vessel to some degree u may want to read "important ex vessel phenomena"Pg 23by Bannesd 6/16/2011 11:08:39 PM
- www-pub.iaea.org
Pg .23by Bannesd 6/16/2011 11:08:40 PM 
New tsunami video
Jun 16, 2011
New video of the deadly and devastating tsunami in Japan has emerged. Watch this amateur video from March 11th of the large wave engulfing the port city of Kesennuma.
www.weather.comby deb 6/16/2011 11:08:52 PM- @Bannesd - MCCI, love this stuff...
"molten core material may erode the containment basemat while
producing hydrogen and other non-condensable gases, thereby
threatening containment integrity"
...and collecting in the pretty tent and exploding like the Hindenberg.
www-pub.iaea.orgby Rob in SF 6/16/2011 11:13:24 PM - www.nytimes.com
This article has the ex vessel to some degree statement.by Bannesd 6/16/2011 11:13:30 PM - Hindenburg, please, sir. :)by Edano 6/16/2011 11:14:16 PM
The "well-known" Shapiro Diagram...
www.hindawi.comby Rob in SF via Hindawi 6/16/2011 11:16:30 PM- Pg 35 melt behavior
by Bannesd 6/16/2011 11:21:46 PM 
by Veenie 6/16/2011 11:22:06 PM- @Veenie Not sure where Manichi got their number from but they make the claim "The sludge is likely to be highly radioactive with 100 million becquerels per cubic centimeter. In addition, about two to four 2.3-meter-tall cesium-absorbing containers are expected to be needed each day, but the roadmap does not take into account work to dispose of the containers." mdn.mainichi.jpby lillymunster 6/16/2011 11:29:44 PM
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