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@lilly.. most of the clothing for a zone 3 area.. or highest rad level area is incinerated,, but the modesty clothing is typically cotton and washable.. at least from my experience
by dean 7/2/2011 4:55:42 PM

@Lilly It could very well be the case. I wish we knew whether or not there's any fuel left on the bottom of the RPV. If there is, corrosion could be a problem if what's left falls through all at once.
by LM 7/2/2011 4:56:02 PM

off to train for awhile.. will return
by dean 7/2/2011 5:00:30 PM

Bye Dean!
by LM 7/2/2011 5:01:04 PM

Radiation found outside Japan's evacuation zone
More than 100 households in a town near the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant have been urged to evacuate because of radioactive hotspots.
Authorities say despite being well out of the 30-kilometre evacuation zone, radiation hotspots have been found in Date City, which is about 50 kilometres north-west of the Fukushima nuclear plant.
More: www.abc.net.au
by joniver 7/2/2011 5:07:54 PM

@Peter Melzer wondering if ice vests - the decent reusable ones would be rendered unusable without some sort of decontamination?
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:16:00 PM

@lillymunster , I sure did not work in this environment. But I suppose they could distinguish between uncontaminated, low-, mid- level and high-level contaminated clothes, and deal with the laundry accordingly. The high level contamination may need to be phased out entirely (incinerated?). The water from low- and mid-level contamination could go into the radioactive liquid waste management they already have in place (I hope they do).
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 5:21:47 PM

Does anyone know whether NPP workers are tested for drugs and alcohol?
by joniver 7/2/2011 5:23:49 PM

@Peter Melzer Wondering if a reusable ice vest would become contaminated during use. My understanding was the vest itself wasn't meant to go into the wash repeatedly. Something like these are not readily washable. So if they were contaminated under the tyveks the vest would need something done to it before or if it could be reused. I assumed the ice vests would be protected enough under 2 layers that it wouldn't need washing after use.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:25:45 PM

Oh the type of vest i am talking about www.amazon.com
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:26:07 PM

@joniver hmm good question. Dean might know. Are you wondering if it is a requirement from something like the NRC or power plant owner?
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:26:49 PM

@lillymunster I'm collecting those protest songs, so if you find any other links, let me know OK? I'm working (slowly, where do you find the time?) toward a combo news and music show on the current nuke issues, Japan foremost among them.
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 5:27:07 PM

@lillymunster Yes a strong requirement which it should be.
by joniver 7/2/2011 5:29:19 PM

@lillymunster, what I was angling at. The workable methods of cleaning are very much the same that you use at home, only with special detergents. For cleaning surface contaminants we used Deconex. The difference really is in the waste water treatment.
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM

@RadioGuy I just did a youtube search off of the band names or songs mentioned in the NYT article. Should be able to grab others that way. Will send links if I run across new one too. www.nytimes.com
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:29:54 PM

@Peter Melzer So vest surfaces could be wiped down with proper cleaners?
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:30:37 PM

@joniver The NRC seems to have very rigorous testing of anyone working at a NPP www.nrc.gov

by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:32:49 PM

I follow world hits and have been including Japanese sections on my world hits show, and have noticed the total lack of protest songs, so they've been working past the blockade obliquely, alternating almost by the strokes of the Daiichi crisis between angry rock and hauntingly poignant love songs. I hadn't put it together that there was an active media avoidance, thinking it was just not in the Japanese nature.

I think we are seeing a seriously hard-fought campaign of censorship, media manipulation and lies begin to crumble under its own weight. Look at the Guardian, and Examiner articles, add them to what we know about the Japanese manipulation, and it's pretty damning.
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 5:33:33 PM

Total collusion.
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 5:34:11 PM

@Peter Melzer wondering if they thought the modified base layer eliminated a layer of garments? The ice vest does sort of block air. But would also keep the cold in? The base layer ones they showed in the photo are thinner than the normal blue cotton base layers seen in older TEPCO photos. So maybe they took to heart some of the ideas to improve heat dissipation. Those shirts should have a pocket on the back rather than the pack taped to the shirt. Looks like possibly they are rigging these up themselves rather than buying them?
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:35:44 PM

@RadioGuy The NYT article comes right out and says it. The record companies won't release protest songs. The Japanese media won't play them. So they are on the internet. In a way an OK thing since younger generations sort of skip TV and commercial radio. These protest songs would be idea TWITTER fodder. If you find them on Youtube let us know. We can get people tweeting the links or put them on the group site as cultural features.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:38:27 PM

@lillymunster , yes. As long as the contamination does not get inside the vest. Much contamination consists of cations that you can catch with chelators when you wipe the surface down well. I'd rinse my stuff in deconex, if I was there.
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 5:38:43 PM

@lillymunster It sounds very rigorous, lets hope the good ole boy network doesn't interfere.
by joniver 7/2/2011 5:38:47 PM

@joniver federal testing and background investigations are something hard to mess with. They have outside federal agencies doing testing and reviews, supervisors and private companies are kept out of the loop on the process and only are informed if something either passes or fails. I have to wonder if they have anything in Japan. With the heavy use of contractors even in things directly involving running reactors I don't think Japan uses as rigorous a system.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:41:31 PM

I am slightly amused with the rigged tshirt design. It looks like something we would engineer in our garage. :-)
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 5:47:33 PM

@lillymunster , I tell you the designer dreamed of very big cigars. As to anti-nuke music from this country, many, many years a NO NUKES concert was held at Madison Square Garden:
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 5:53:18 PM

@lillymunster It would be interesting to know whether Japan has the same testing procedures.
I can't help thinking how BP wined and dined the Mineral Management Service before inspections but that's another story.
by joniver 7/2/2011 5:58:14 PM

@joniver , my hunch is that there are no such checks as far as temporary labor is involved.
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 6:01:27 PM

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by joniver 7/2/2011 6:01:46 PM

@Peter Melzer Disturbing.
by joniver 7/2/2011 6:02:32 PM

@joniver , to say the least.
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 6:03:24 PM

Wow this is a must read. First hand accounts of workers at Fuku. #1 had cooling pipes burst, broken walls and explosions before the tsunami hit. www.theatlanticwire.com
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 6:44:22 PM

@lillymunster Great read.
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 7:03:30 PM

"A third worker was coming into work late when the earthquake hit. “I was in a building nearby when the earthquake shook. After the second shockwave hit, I heard a loud explosion that was almost deafening. I looked out the window and I could see white smoke coming from reactor one. I thought to myself, ‘this is the end.’”
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 7:05:05 PM

@RadioGuy There is a book mentioned in the Atlantic article. Katsunobu Onda, author of TEPCO: The Dark Empire It has been re-released but I can't find out if it is available in English and where to buy it. Google didn't offer up anything useful. I would love to get a copy.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 7:14:49 PM

For the longest time I've had this black humor vision of Daiichi with the visual equivalent of sprinkler-hose running all over the place. From the Atlantic article:
Onda adds, “When I first visited the Fukushima power plant it was a web of pipes. Pipes on the wall, on the ceiling, on the ground. You’d have to walk over them, duck under them—sometimes you’d bump your head on them. It was like a maze of pipes inside.”
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 7:16:35 PM

@RadioGuy It makes me wonder. Was it built that way by GE? #1 is really an interesting and strange machine. GE modified a naval sub reactor and made it bigger. Much of the lack of space and containment room is due to cost cutting by GE to make that first batch of Mark 1 units affordable. They used them as a loss leader to get their foot in the door places to build more.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 7:23:50 PM

Dean posted an article yesterday about all of this old GE history. It was a good read, of course I lost it when Windows Update decided to reboot my computer without asking me first.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 7:24:39 PM

@lillymunster (check your history for it)

Well, as the media blackout starts to crumble, it looks like it's going to be a landslide as suddenly sleeping muckrakers catch wind of the coverup. AP joins in, posted here on www.mysanantonio.com
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 7:42:48 PM

I wondered what would happen when the real newspeople finally realized they've been lied to, and that there IS a story here after all! (I guess when you live by official handouts and corporate "press releases" it takes a while for your atrophied nose-for-news to recover.)
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 7:45:14 PM

Evening all @lilly could the Tepco cooling vests pic be turned into an article with alternatives to the tepco duck tape one ?
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 7:48:55 PM

@Lilly Thanks for the Atlantic Wire article..indeed a great read!
by LM 7/2/2011 7:49:25 PM

@RadioGuy This seems to be the week the media woke up. The Guardian story in the UK, two released back to back in the US side stepping all the BS. Notice neither entity (The Atlantic and AP) are media outlets owned by the likes of GE or at least not heavy handed run by an uber-corp. I think maybe the media still free enough to say something is finding out the truth. We can only hope that the foreign media can do what those in Japan can't right now without being blacklisted or arrested.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 7:50:54 PM

@RadioGuy On my ongoing research about the "Kurion Network", as I call it, some curious names popped by (that are closely connected with the company Kurion, the same that is involved in salvaging Fukushima-Daiichi), such as CNBC and Bloomberg. I hate conspiracy theories but I'm afraid my little research will give rise to a brand new collection.
by Pedro Jesus 7/2/2011 7:51:14 PM