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@Elaine Kirk Yes. We were trying to determine if there was some method to their madness. Peter says the actual industrial vests can be decontaminated. The only logic I can find in it is an attempt to lessen layers involved. It did give me an idea for a hybrid of the tepco undie shirt one and hot weather under armor. They might be using these tshirt mock ups due to laundry issues. If everything goes through laundry to be both washed and decontaminated the under-armor gear might be running into issues. Depending on how their industrial laundry set up works, their dryers might not be able to do a cool enough setting to not break down the synthetic fibers or there might be something in the decontamination soap that eats elastic fibers.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 7:54:39 PM

I am trying to figure out what should be in said article.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 7:55:08 PM

Here it is in stock at www.amazon.co.jp
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 7:57:12 PM

Tehachapi CA is still running high cpm on their geiger counter. I noticed last week they were running into the 40's. Normal levels were 12-25. The highest I saw were in the 50's as the big amounts in March passed by. Something is giving off a constant high level of radiation. By high I mean higher than normal. Their background radiation is in the single digits.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 7:59:38 PM

@RadioGuy It did not appear to be in Kindle format. If we can find a digital or ebook version of it I can attempt to translate the book into Googlese.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:02:32 PM

@lillymunster : I found something that could be used for decontamination (in Germany the stuff had different names): www.perkinelmer.com
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 8:08:02 PM

Interesting bit from the AP article "Kan, who majored in applied physics in college, was among the first whose attention went to the 40-year-old nuclear plant, according to Kenichi Shimomura, a senior aide who was with him. The prime minister demanded an assessment."
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:08:38 PM

@lillymunster I think Kan has been outdone at every turn maybe if people had got behind him...
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 8:09:53 PM

@lillymunster , this is true. He visited on Saturday morning after the quake and was pleased to find out that the plant manager graduated from the same engineering school he did.
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 8:10:37 PM

@Peter Melzer Thanks, that gives some good ideas of the cleaners. If their laundry solution is like this, that would explain why they might be using cotton base layers. Some of those properties in that cleaner would potentially eat poly and spandex elastics after repeated washings.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:11:55 PM

@Peter Melzer If we could get Kan and the plant manager running things and the corporate office guys from TEPCO out of the loop things might work better...
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:12:47 PM

Fire from Unit No. 1 transformer at French nuclear plant — Residents reported thick black smoke . In the southern French nuclear plant Tricastin it came to French media reports of an explosion.

On the grounds of the southern French nuclear plant Tricastin, there have been media reports in France after a transformer explosion and fire. The fire department was able to bring the fire under control in the afternoon, it said on the website of the regional newspaper “Dauphine Libere” on Saturday. People were not injured. The management of the nuclear power plant north of Marseille on the incident itself did not immediately comment.

The transformer was part of the reactor block 1, which is currently shut down, and was located outside the nuclear zone. Residents had reported thick black smoke. The nuclear power plant Tricastin with four pressurized water reactors of 915 megawatts each is in operation since 1981. www.focus.de
by Majj 7/2/2011 8:14:28 PM

So much of what I see going on through the news stories seems like a universal set of problems with corporate/political behaviors that hinder actual technical work. It seems to have parallels to problems seen in other countries.

by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:14:46 PM

@lillymunster I saw some goj advice leaflet that said if people washed their chothes ordinarily it would remove x% and this is known because it is what tepco do with the workers stuff
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 8:15:03 PM

@lillymunster , I hope that plant manager will write his memoirs one day. I heard that Queen Elizabeth invites the PM over for tea on a regular basis. In analogy, Kan should invite this manager for a briefing once a week.
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 8:15:23 PM

I will find the doc
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 8:15:36 PM

@Peter Melzer I don't think the plant manager has left the site since March.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:16:13 PM

@Peter Melzer the pm is obliged to give the queen a weekly? briefing so yes Kan should certainly get one from the plant manager
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 8:17:56 PM

@lillymunster , Skype then! I guess this man's attention is totally devoted to avoiding the final fiasco of another big explosion.
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 8:18:19 PM

77 elderly evacuees died within 3 months. www.yomiuri.co.jp
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:19:16 PM

@Elaine Kirk , exactly, right on Elaine!
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 8:19:21 PM

@Peter Melzer I totally agree with the concept. The plant manager needs to have a direct line to the PM. TEPCO corporate is just getting in the way.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:20:24 PM

www.ledauphine.com Saturday, July 2 to 14 h 50, a fire broke out on the EDF power Tricastin, Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux (Drôme). Residents, worried, said a column of black smoke rose into the sky.
This is the explosion of the transformer of Unit 1 plant, which is stationary. The facility is located off-nuclear zone. No one was hurt and there was no damage to the environment.
As always when an incident affecting the nuclear site, a large number of firefighters and police converged on the scene. The fire was contained to 15 h 55.
by Majj 7/2/2011 8:21:21 PM

Company that does NPP laundry www.unitechus.com
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:24:16 PM

Looks like smoke from #4 TEPCAM right now, not steam. Darkest emissions I've seen in weeks.
by es 7/2/2011 8:25:23 PM

@es part of that might be the big tower behind #4 it makes things look darker if the tower peeks through the fog. But there is something coming out also. YOu can see the movement of it.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:28:58 PM

@lillymunster Yes, I'm mindful of the tower. The smoke itself looked different, and was more obvious before the fog moved in. Often it's difficult to detect anything against the white morning sky but not today.
by es 7/2/2011 8:33:10 PM

@es what is or was coming out when I looked was a different color than the fog.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:36:25 PM

pissinontheroses.blogspot.com
Detail Video Analysis: EPA RadNet Data Censoring Radioactive Fallout in St. Louis

This is long and kind of tedious, but a pretty interesting dissection on video of the ways RadNet data was censored for St Louis, by dilution (circumventing the automatic system to manually change duration of sampling and sample volume) or by changing their own standard filter replacement times to much more frequent changes, since the readings are ***ulative and are always lower with a brand new filter, or even straight out deletion of beta or gamma counts.
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 8:37:04 PM

Still looking for the laundry leafllet but this advice from Fuku medical uni is gobsmacking
cbbstoday.org
"At Chernobyl, an increased incidence of thyroid cancer was
observed mainly in children who were 0 to 5 years old when that nuclear accident
happened. However, there was no reported increase in thyroid cancer among children wwho were fetuses at that time. No additional concern is needed for future pregnancies"
WTF you may lose children you already have but don't worry you can replace them with healthier models!!
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 8:41:04 PM

@lillymunster Yes, that's what I saw when normally it's steamy and the same colour as, thus indistinguishable from, the fog.
by es 7/2/2011 8:42:22 PM

@RadioGuy It is hard to fully understand how they are coming up with those events. Such as the filter change out times. If they can prove this is correct for St. Louis it puts all of EPA's data into question.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:43:07 PM

@Elaine Kirk I looked at the doctor in that article. Thought it looked familiar. That guy should be locked up for the bad information he is peddling ex-skf.blogspot.com
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:45:22 PM

And that's why we should vet it, but we also know people get smeared. More eyes on is the reason I posted the link. There are (to my mind) two explanations for what he gets from their own data posts: They're really sloppy, or they're dropping parts of readings.
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 8:48:41 PM

@RadioGuy hopefully this makes the rounds enough that it pressure the EPA for an explanation or releasing the raw data.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:51:34 PM

@RadioGuy , coincidently St. Louis is home to Mallinckrodt Inc. one of the largest radiopharma firms in the U.S.: snmnuclearmedicineandmolecularimagingmarketplace.com
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 8:52:04 PM

@lillymunster oh is it HIM!! glad you spotted that we can be alert for him now
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 8:58:55 PM

@Peter Melzer I think that is the longest web domain address I have ever seen. :-)
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 8:59:05 PM

@Elaine Kirk He makes me mad, some of his comments quoted in the SKF article are so blatantly wrong.
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 9:00:18 PM

is there any way of searching images posted on here
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 9:01:12 PM

@lillymunster i will do a search on him when i have found the laundry leaflet
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 9:01:54 PM

@Elaine Kirk not that I know of, what image are you looking for? Might be able to find it via google images
by lillymunster 7/2/2011 9:02:37 PM

@lillymunster , hm, actually the Mallinckrodt Institute in St. Louis is among the most esteemed institutions for radiology in the US. Almost every other radiologist trained in this country before WWII hailed from there. This peaintheroses guy seems a bit extreme in his interpretations. This may be just sloppiness on part of the local EPA crew.
by Peter Melzer 7/2/2011 9:04:58 PM

I did a screenshot of the leaflet and posted it with a link it would be so easy if I could find it that way
by Elaine Kirk 7/2/2011 9:05:07 PM

@lillymunster He drew their data (shows you where to get it at the start of the video) into a spreadsheet just as we would. His explanation of what he did with it sounds valid. His conclusions may attribute to conspiracy things adequately explained by things like "we're short-staffed, the only time we can change it is now." or "I'm out, that monitor is dodgy, could you try to see what's up with it while I'm out" to "That can't possibly be right. Damned thing is off again."

When he sees an empty reading, he assumes it was erased, not below some threshold, but given the EPA record, erring on the side of caution would seem to be indicated.
by RadioGuy 7/2/2011 9:07:37 PM