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Japan is integral part of it they are interdependent the whole lot in bed cosy cosy www.naka.jaea.go.jp
The main international ITER site www.iter.org
by elainekirk 7/10/2011 10:56:06 PM

www.nppd.com @ lilly .. start in on page 52 to about 54 or so.. it explains going into the secondary containment or in coopers case. the outer building..
by dean 7/10/2011 10:58:15 PM

@dean THanks Dean, will give it a read through.
by lillymunster 7/10/2011 11:00:59 PM

those are good photo's @ lilly and show some good shots inside the reactor room with the structural steel beams... one thing I wonder.. the control room looks to be more upgraded and modern like maybe they did a control room upgrade,,, fuku plant has the old school panels.. greenish color and old knobs and push buttons that were used on original equipment
by dean 7/10/2011 11:02:00 PM

@All, In looking at photos of 4 I think I found what some others were asking about earlier. The "back" end of 4 that faces 3, on the TEPCO cam view I found one panel on the top of the roof line that has changed. Will have some photos completed after a bit.
by lillymunster 7/10/2011 11:02:10 PM

@dean I noticed that also. I mentioned to BO that the ones at FUKU reminded me of sci-fi stuff out of old Godzilla movies.
by lillymunster 7/10/2011 11:03:03 PM

seems like all the older reactors where i worked were all of that vintage.. I think with some research we should come up with a baseline between the two.. and say .. they are both bwr's mark1 and explain any differences in secondary containment plus the mods done that we've seen...
by dean 7/10/2011 11:08:23 PM

@dean we should be able to do some of that as we dig through all of this. I am wondering what would be a likely candidate as identical to fuku. Possibly Oyster Creek? IIRC there was one even older that might be the generic off the shelf GE reactor design?
by lillymunster 7/10/2011 11:15:47 PM

lets put alittle more research in it lilly.. hopefully in a day or two we'll have the match
by dean 7/10/2011 11:16:35 PM

@lillymunster @dean there are two concrete ones in USA atominfo.ru
by elainekirk 7/10/2011 11:23:56 PM

@lillymunster , I found this article www.suntimes.com helpful, particularly the list on the left. Dresden 2 may be closest in design to Daiichi Unit 1.
by Peter Melzer 7/10/2011 11:27:24 PM

@Peter Melzer Dresden and Quad Cities should be easy to find information on. They are frequently mentioned in relation to the NRC so there could be quite a bit of data if we go digging. I will also go look at the U of NM archive. I think they might have drawings on one of those.
by lillymunster 7/10/2011 11:31:12 PM

Just came across this: www.nucpros.com . Not very confidence-building!
by Peter Melzer 7/10/2011 11:32:32 PM

one main thing I'm going to be surprised with is to find a BWR MARK I with no secondary containment being the main building...
by dean 7/10/2011 11:33:04 PM

I've seen that document elaine.. did I send that in.. my brain is kinda fried today
by dean 7/10/2011 11:34:03 PM

@LM nothing but the workers being charged for food!! which is pretty major in my book
by elainekirk 7/10/2011 11:37:46 PM

@Elaine You've got to be kidding! It isn't enough they're sacrificing their health and lives. That's just crazy!
by LM 7/10/2011 11:39:20 PM

@LM an earthquake tepco reported no damage .......OH and the decontamination system is broken again
by elainekirk 7/10/2011 11:39:24 PM

@LM trying to find if same applies to water
by elainekirk 7/10/2011 11:39:55 PM

@Elaine If they have to pay for their water Tepco should be charged with human rights violations!
by LM 7/10/2011 11:41:17 PM

@LM run of the mill fourth anniversary today for fuku
tepco
by elainekirk 7/10/2011 11:41:26 PM

@Elaine I forgot it was the 11th in Japan now. Wow..4 months. It's going to be a long haul.
by LM 7/10/2011 11:45:05 PM

Here is something on Mark I containments: www.sumofallfears.com . Only read the beginning. Download a pdf following the link, if you wish.
by Peter Melzer 7/10/2011 11:45:15 PM

@Peter Melzer now they are all away reading your papers ! ok just you and me for coffee is it?
by elainekirk 7/10/2011 11:53:33 PM

@lillymunster , I thought about that, too, and wondered when we get to see the removal of fuel rods from Unit 4 SFP. They coud not clean the debris from the refueling floor! I was thinking why one could not construct something like a chilled water-filled bucket on a crane, into which one could pull the rods without lifting them out of water and transfer them one by one into a cooled storage tank on a truck and take them somewhere safer.
by Peter Melzer 7/10/2011 11:55:28 PM

@Peter Melzer they have to remove old rods to take them to the central fuel pool bldg - how do they do that?
by lillymunster 7/10/2011 11:56:37 PM

Slow progress at Fukushima plant 4 months after disaster www.cnn.com
by Panserbjorne9 7/10/2011 11:59:26 PM

Japan Forced School Children To Clean Radioactive Dirt From Swimming Pools www.examiner.com
by Panserbjorne9 7/11/2011 12:01:08 AM

@lillymunster , well, they transfer them into this huge sideways-lying cask and drive them there on a futuristic-looking green truck with many wheels, I believe. We saw pictures of this mobil here once. The transfer does not look trivial. But the hole crisis is not trivial either.
by Peter Melzer 7/11/2011 12:01:35 AM

@Peter Melzer I wonder if they could get a scaled down cask in there with a crane? One big enough to remove one rod.
by lillymunster 7/11/2011 12:04:58 AM

@elainekirk I know, I can't believe I missed the Japan article the other day
by Panserbjorne9 7/11/2011 12:07:13 AM

www.jaif.or.jp Hi everyone, I found this article. status of countermeasures for restoring from the accident units 1 -4 as of July 10. Not sure if anyone has posted this or not.
by Jo 7/11/2011 12:09:50 AM