Japan Earthquake

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@Bobby1 You need minions. :-)
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:01:54 PM

Hi Dean!
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:02:06 PM

Hi @dean
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 5:02:39 PM

@lillymunster It would be nice to have secretaries, programmers, to do all that kind of thing.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:07:25 PM

I have been thinking and one thing I havent seen is a clear pictorial/text of why there is a problem and why everything cannot be hosed down and people go home
there should be something in Japanese/English showing the state of the plant/ the steam (which isn't filtered I saw something purporting to be from tepco but like the 'completion of stage 1' without anything concrete with their name on it saying the steam wasnt radioactive today)/ the spread along with how washing everything down isnt possible .... everything together in simple quick to browse form...just thinking
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 5:08:17 PM

By the way, how many had died in Japan from radiation? More people have died in the US than confirmed dead from the Japan earthquake and tsunami.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:11:33 PM

@elainekirk Like a brochure of facts?
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:11:43 PM

nuclearpoweryesplease.org soome information about morbidity and mortality
by dean 7/19/2011 5:11:50 PM

@dean Only Detroit and Lansing Michigan have shown significant increases in infant mortality.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:15:27 PM

@lillymunster yes I am sure it would help facts cannot be refuted and having a pictorial basis will mean ver little translation needed
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 5:17:58 PM

@dean Hi! Thanks for the post.
by LM 7/19/2011 5:18:09 PM

@lillymunster it must be difficult for those in Japan trying to raise global awareness and support due to the language barrier
drawing the eaves of houses, drains, etc where radiation can hide and just having simple qualifier 'eaves' will make it easy for someone to add Japanese

by elainekirk 7/19/2011 5:19:03 PM

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by dean 7/19/2011 5:19:47 PM

SOS from Minimiosoma - someone gets it and is speaking out!
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:21:37 PM

hi LM yw
by dean 7/19/2011 5:22:01 PM

@dean they have life neatly catalogued these days dont they I wonder if they are planning on adding 'use by' dates
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 5:22:59 PM

@elainekirk I get what you mean about the language barrier. More things going both directions of language being translated helps. I always worry that google taking English to Japanese messes it up too much and that people might not easily understand it.
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:23:17 PM

@dean Did you notice Boise has a 24.6% increase in number of deaths?
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:23:34 PM

cliffmass.blogspot.com this is a rebuttal to that link
by dean 7/19/2011 5:23:51 PM

am sure they will elaine
by dean 7/19/2011 5:24:28 PM

yes bobby... reports of that were in the news
by dean 7/19/2011 5:24:52 PM

@Bobby1 the level of elderly that died in shelters is high. Not sure if it was the stress of being thrown into that situation or if radiation levels could have contributed. Some were already extremely fragile
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:25:03 PM

@lillymunster It would be hard to disentangle the effects of radiation from effects of the tsunami, since most of the tsunami victims were also irradiated.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:26:14 PM

@Bobby1 medical care is still extremely sparce in the region and it was cold weather at the time of evac, plus putting people into large halls meant that children would pick up bugs and though they have fit enough immune systems that fought them off the proximity of them to elderly people meant the elderly fell victim and no longer had the physical resistance to fight the bugs
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 5:28:32 PM

@elainekirk Yes, inhaling radionuclides causes upper respiratory problems, which in turn make it easier for viruses to affect people. The contagious diseases spread further and affect the elderly and vulnerable.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:32:00 PM

The NRC is officially on my s*&^ list. Everything is fine, nothing to see here, move along, blah blah mdn.mainichi.jp
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:37:55 PM

How do we find out if there is a link between Fukushima and the death of children? By measuring the actual levels of isotopes in the environment and in the bodies of people exposed and to do this now in Japan and in the U.S. The research is not technically difficult. The political and economic barriers may be greater. Bandshevsky and others did it and confirmed a connection. The information is available in the Chernobyl book cited above.
by dean 7/19/2011 5:42:22 PM

@dean @Bobby1 if we arm the people with the facts in Japanese/English in a format that is very easy and quick to understand they have a legitimate argument then support should increase and they then have a lever to demand the testing/protection
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 5:44:44 PM

I will be back.. .
by dean 7/19/2011 5:45:05 PM

@Bobby1 @you they need to show those units are steaming radiation, that the sea is polluted and will provide radioactive rain for yrs to come, that houses have too many nooks and cranies, AND that testing is needed
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 5:46:30 PM

@elainekirk Japan, the US and Canada have to set up radiation monitoring in all cities, test for isotopes (including strontium and plutonium) in every city, school, farm soil, drinking water supply, and for all foods produced and sold. Transparency is needed about mortality, diseases, issues like sewage sludge application to farmland. Information needs to be communicated to vulnerable people like pregnant women about the dangers of radiation exposure.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:50:37 PM

@Bobby1 they resist this for the same reason govt. officials in Japan do. It is easier to pretend it doesn't exist and let it happen. Business is more important that people. Sadly this seems to be a new universal situation.
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:52:19 PM

@lillymunster In other words, nobody wants to PAY.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:54:05 PM

@Bobby1 nobody wants to pay, they don't want to hinder a business even if it hurts people in large numbers
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 5:54:43 PM

@lillymunster You would think that having your clientele sick or dropping dead would hurt business too, but I guess they don't think about that any more than a dope pusher cares about the health of his clients.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 5:58:21 PM

On the subject of no one wanting to pay. So, GoJ tells people it's all safe and they should go home. If they do is GoJ going to assure their continued health monitoring and survivor benefits for their descendants? I'm guessing no. But if they don't, does that end GoJ's responsibility (shelter/support etc.)? Is this whole "return to your homes" idiocy somehow going to turn out to be a CYA economic game?
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 5:59:57 PM

@RadioGuy it is either two or three months that health monitoring lasts after a radiation leak in Japan
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 6:03:20 PM

@Bobby1 Companies can be very short sighted. Part of the US economic collapse was because they actively worked to lower wages and send jobs overseas. They never thought that these two actions would mean fewer customers to buy their products.
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 6:03:28 PM

ans have just tweeted
ans_org American Nuclear Soc
Stand by for news!
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 6:06:03 PM

@lillymunster About the only industry that didn't fall into that was the financial industry... because they don't make anything. They just skim a (ever-increasing) cut from everything else.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:06:09 PM

Wall street that is. Bankers proved once again to be cannibals, eating their own at the first sign of trouble.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:07:12 PM

@RadioGuy They (the govt and nuclear industry) doesn't want to pay liability to the victims, this is the whole thing. But when the cost of medical care goes through the roof, the liability appears there. Unless they are planning to deny medical care to all but the rich.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 6:07:51 PM

I see desperate. I just don't see any reasonable end game.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:09:37 PM

Extend and pretend...but then what?
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:10:46 PM

Hope it goes away? Hope those pitchforks the villagers all seem to be carrying suddenly are joke ones made of rubber? Short-sighted is one thing. Blind is another altogether.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:12:04 PM