Japan Earthquake

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@RadioGuy Then we see economies falling apart due to people being too sick to work, birth defects appear with the huge cost of taking care of children born without livers, etc.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 6:13:31 PM

@RadioGuy that seems to be the unknown right now. Will people band together and demand different or cow to the pressure from a few and suck up this new way of life?
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 6:14:09 PM

@Bobby1 ugh. Japan already has a dwindling population problem
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 6:14:31 PM

cow to the cows, eh?
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:28:28 PM

children born without liver ?
by Edano 7/19/2011 6:29:09 PM

Feed straw nationwide to undergo checks
Fukushima cattle under shipment ban
search.japantimes.co.jp
Tepco Shifts Focus Of Nuclear Cleanup To Cutting Radiation Emissions
e.nikkei.com
Japan says efforts to stabilise nuclear crisis on track
www.google.com
Draft accord notes Mongolia as home for spent nuclear fuel
mdn.mainichi.jp
Tepco Will Start Removing Spent Fuel From Fukushima in 3 Years
www.bloomberg.com
Japan Finishes Initial Nuclear Plant Stabilization
www.globalsecuritynewswire.org
Govt renews Fukushima plant stabilization plan
www3.nhk.or.jp
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from the ans newsdump
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 6:29:28 PM

@Edano I don't even want to think what the suicide rate would be if nothing is done and kids start having leukemia clusters show up. Talk about parental guilt

by lillymunster 7/19/2011 6:31:40 PM

@lillymunster : but we already have high leukemia rates near nukes.
by Edano 7/19/2011 6:35:44 PM

All this is going to happen in the US too, on a lower level. Maybe not so much now, but in the fall when Americans start eating plutonium-laced french fries.
by Bobby1 7/19/2011 6:36:06 PM

Pardon the coming insanity, and feel free to delete it, but I have been having this weird mashup of Monty Python's Spam and Bishop on the Landing skist running non-stop in my head as I watch this posturing about "not much radiation in it" so bear with me here for a second.

Woman (Switching the radio off) Liberal rubbish. Klaus ...What do you want with your jugged fish?
Man Halibut.
Woman The jugged fish is halibut.
Man Well, what fish have you got that isn't jugged?
Woman Rabbit.
Man What? Rabbit fish?
Woman Yes. It's got fins.
Man Is it dead?
Woman Well, it was coughing up blood last night.
Man All right I'll have the dead unjugged rabbit fish.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:37:16 PM

CAPTION: 'ONE DEAD UNJUGGED RABBIT FISH LATER'
Man Well that was really horrible.
Woman You're always complaining.
Man What's for afters?
Woman Well there's rat cake ... rat sorbet ... rat pudding ... or strawberry tart.
Man Strawberry tart?!
Woman Well, it's got some rat in it.
Man How much?
Woman Three (rather a lot really).
Man ... well, I'll have a slice without so much rat in it.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:37:42 PM

what i want to say is, that since the bomb tests we have the background radiation causing cancer, but the changes are sneaking, hardly noticeable, and we all learned to live with it and accept it. or why do we still build nukes and fission bombs ???
by Edano 7/19/2011 6:38:21 PM

@EdanoInsanity?
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:41:38 PM

@RadioGuy insanity, profit, greed ... and we accept the consequences.
by Edano 7/19/2011 6:42:11 PM

@RadioGuy love monty python
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 6:43:57 PM

They could have a heyday with current events
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 6:44:51 PM

@Edano we build them because governments consist of wallies who know nowt and are unemployable they get into gov and then listen to 'advisors '
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 6:45:42 PM

@elainekirk : we live in democracies and elect our governments.
by Edano 7/19/2011 6:47:07 PM

hmmm, all of us here live in countries with nukes, i assume ....
by Edano 7/19/2011 6:53:15 PM

And would, quite frankly, be happier without them.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 6:56:18 PM

personally, i have never in my life voted for a nuke party.
by Edano 7/19/2011 6:57:48 PM

Sort of related question. Does anyone know what year Abbott developed Sythroid? Or history of how it was created? I can't find anything on google
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 7:06:37 PM

I find it interesting that they had ties to the govt. in the 1940's, worked on radiopharmaceuticals and developed the first synthetic thyroid replacement drug. IIRC it was post WWII but can't find a reference.
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 7:09:46 PM

The link for it me here: en.wikipedia.org
but check this from the Abbot Wiki:
In January 2007, Abbott Laboratories agreed to sell its in vitro diagnostics and Point-of-Care diagnostics divisions to General Electric for more than $8 billion. These units were slated to be integrated into the GE Healthcare business unit.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 7:10:19 PM

(led me here, so the med name is levothyroxine)
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 7:10:59 PM

@RadioGuy @RadioGuy Sythroid is still under patent and slightly different than the generic versions like levothyroxine. There is a big ongoing controversy around Abbott who has managed to keep this under patent for decades while other companies have to give up their patents in short time. Abbot has also been behind attacks on natural thyroid replacement drugs and attempts to have the FDA ban them from the market even though they have been used for about 100 years safely. I find it ironic that Abbott developed Synthroid right around the time of the bomb tests and had a previous relationship with the DOD in the 40's plus developed the first radioactive diagnostics around the same time. I just found one reference that Synthroid was patented in 1958. Seems too coincidental. As in Abbott may have had a hand in all the guinea pig-ing of people and knew that radioactive iodine trashes people's thyroids and may have more data about that than is publicly released.
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 7:17:27 PM

Here's a patent page for a method of stabilization: www.wikipatents.com
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 7:17:57 PM

back
by dean 7/19/2011 7:20:28 PM

Here's an article on that whole issue of patents that includes this in its section on Levothyroxine.
pharmacytechniciansletter.therapeuticresearch.com

Levothyroxine has been on the market for 50 years, since the introduction of Synthroid in 1955. Thyroid hormone, prepared from desiccated ground thyroid glands of cows, had been on the market for decades previously. Levothyroxine, classified with thyroid hormone, was not considered to be a new drug by the 1962 amendments to the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. So NO efficacy, safety, or bioequivalency studies were required for levothyroxine products.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 7:21:47 PM

HI Dean!

@Radioguy, I need to ask Bo when he stops by, he might have an idea where I should look.
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 7:22:52 PM

I guess you'd want to avoid using Fuku cows for that preparation.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 7:23:42 PM

For more than 40 years, Synthroid controlled 85% of the levothyroxine market. The manufacturer, Knoll Pharmaceuticals (now Abbott Laboratories), took advantage of the lack of an FDA-approved standard for bioequivalence.

In the late 1980s, researchers at the University of California showed Synthroid, Levoxyl, and two generic levothyroxine products were bioequivalent. The industry sponsor, Knoll, refused to allow publication of the study, which had been accepted by JAMA.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 7:28:37 PM

Then came lawsuits and a ruling requiring complete recertification for all products.
by RadioGuy 7/19/2011 7:30:07 PM

www.ourfood.com radioactivity in food
by dean 7/19/2011 7:31:36 PM

@RadioGuy It looks like Knoll actually developed it and was bought by Abbott about 10 years ago.
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 7:35:34 PM

time to get ready.. .be back later..
by dean 7/19/2011 7:38:01 PM

No on the English site. TEPCO going to pay some interim payments www3.nhk.or.jp
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 7:43:12 PM

Big report out of CBS news blasting the NRC, lack of real oversight and harassment of whistleblowers www.cbsnews.com
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 8:04:06 PM

@lillymunster it needs feeding the monster is bored with news international and needs a new bone
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 8:09:28 PM

@elainekirk twitter?
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 8:13:02 PM

@lilly @bo both your articles are very very good and I hope they are spread everywhere. I am doing my part with FB and by talking to anyone who will listen for at least a few minutes. The resistance to belief in the catastrophe taking place is appalling. Thank you Lilly and Bo and everyone here for all you are doing, and to this scribble community for being a place of sanity in a crazy world. xoxoxox
by ariadne 7/19/2011 8:13:55 PM

@ariadne :-) I have been kicking around the idea of making little sets of maybe 4 bits of information that explain some of the realities going on. I saw political campaigns do it to help people explain an issue in short enough bites the generally uninterested would "get it". It may be usable in this situation
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 8:17:16 PM

(now eyeing my synthroid bottle nervously)
by Panserbjorne9 7/19/2011 8:19:38 PM

@lillymunster @ariadne twitter , fbook and the bitesize I will have a go at hazard zomes that make houses uninhabitable dunno how good it would be
by elainekirk 7/19/2011 8:21:23 PM

@Panserbjorne9 trying to find out some history on knoll. It sounds like they actually developed it rather than Abbott. Still makes me wonder about Abbotts role in developing radio therapy at the same time the army was messing with such things...
by lillymunster 7/19/2011 8:31:02 PM