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@Edano " The United States has 104 operating reactors, the largest number in the world. It upholds its policy of promoting nuclear power even after the disaster in Fukushima." strange isnt it The United States appears to be made up of only the lawmakers , what happened to the citizens and their voice?
by elainekirk 7/21/2011 10:22:24 AM

@elainekirk : in germany (and italy) it was the population that demanded a change, not the politicians. so people have to move. en masse.
by Edano 7/21/2011 10:24:47 AM

Gov't to announce new 'hot spots' near Fukushima plant within days

TOKYO, July 21, Kyodo

The government will announce new ''hot spots'' recommended for evacuation near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant possibly ''within the next couple of days,'' Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Thursday.

Late last month, for the first time since the nuclear crisis was triggered by the March earthquake and tsunami, the government designated about 100 households in the city of Date in Fukushima Prefecture as being located in the so-called hot spots, where radiation levels are sporadically higher than other locations nearby.

The annual level of radiation is estimated to top 20 millisieverts in the spots and the government, as well as local authorities, is prepared to assist those who wish to evacuate from there.
english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 7/21/2011 10:27:12 AM

20 millisieverts are astronomical !
by Edano 7/21/2011 10:28:10 AM

@Edano @bo this is just plain scary Japan is not a race apart what is happening there re the citizens being left floundering could happen anywhere and yet the world sleeps on oblivious
by elainekirk 7/21/2011 10:31:54 AM

Kan not planning to call general election over nuclear issues

TOKYO, July 21, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 7/21/2011 10:33:06 AM

maybe that is what the US told him (not to do) !
by Edano 7/21/2011 10:37:50 AM

@elaine it's sad but its always been that way. People here in Hiroshima and Nagasaki got some recognition but most people who suffer such traumas like the people of Bhopal and in Kazakhstan near the former Soviet nuclear test site never get a moment of world attention. If it wasn't for the fact that most people in the industrialized world have a nuclear power plant close enough to them that they think--hey that could be me--there wouldn't be half the coverage in the west that there is.
by bo 7/21/2011 10:40:10 AM

huuuhuuu, material for conspiration theories ! what did the woman know ?

New DNA test may exonerate Nepali of 1997 murder

New DNA tests have found that evidence collected at the site of a high-profile murder of a woman in Tokyo 14 years ago does not match the DNA of a convicted Nepali man.

Govinda Prasad Mainali was convicted in 2003 of murdering and robbing the woman -- an employee of Tokyo Electric Power Company -- in an apartment in Tokyo's Shibuya ward in 1997. The Nepali man has been serving a life sentence.

Amid a lack of evidence directly linking him to the murder, Mainali has consistently denied the charges.
In 2000, a district court acquitted Mainali, on grounds of contradictory evidence. But later, a high court sentenced him to life imprisonment, saying it was clear from circumstantial evidence that he committed the crime.

The ruling was finalized at the Supreme Court in 2003.
Mainali has been seeking a retrial since then.

Sources say that prosecutors, at the request of the court, recently conducted fresh tests on body fluids found on the victim and hair collected at the murder site. The results showed that both the fluids and hair belonged to a man other than Mainali.

Body fluids of Mainali were found at the murder site too, but the Nepali man had insisted that he met the victim around 10 days before she was killed.

The new DNA test results point to possible involvement of another man in the murder. But various other details of the case remain unsolved, and it remains to be seen how the court will assess the new evidence.

Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:57 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 7/21/2011 10:43:11 AM

#1 and #2 temps indeed rapidly decreasing
www.houseoffoust.com
www.houseoffoust.com
by Edano via Houseoffoust 7/21/2011 10:50:52 AM

#1 and #2 temps indeed rapidly decreasing
www.houseoffoust.com
www.houseoffoust.com
by Edano via Houseoffoust 7/21/2011 10:50:52 AM

@Edano oh yes
by elainekirk 7/21/2011 10:56:38 AM

maybe it's only the typhoon ;)
by Edano 7/21/2011 10:58:41 AM

@Edano typhoon is only eye in the sky not pie in the sky
by elainekirk 7/21/2011 11:01:22 AM

@elaine next generations: could be small radiation counter is to by in every supermarket for 10$? Is this the "solution" (am I zynical?). After 10 generations people will doubt our reason to calculate? After 20 generations we will be the black century, where all began? Am I negativ?
by Puc 7/21/2011 11:13:23 AM

@All saying i like...peoples whose jobs require them to believe one thing, will rarely believe another... My job now requires me to believe nothing, however, i used to teach and control rad for workers. I believe japonese people must educate themselves and act in thier own percieved best interest. Individual isolated consumption of contaminated food is not a big deal(IMO), but they should have gained control of their food supply by now. The japonese people need to take responsibility.
by RBeaner 7/21/2011 11:13:52 AM

@Puc whilstever desperate/unscrupulous/ill informed are putting produce that is radioactive onto the market then the jpanese people will sstruggle for control. The people number 127 million and yes the day will come when they all carry meters but they need to be reliable ones, they need to know how to use them to best detect radiation in food and they need the support of government locally to take action immediately iffy products are identified
by elainekirk 7/21/2011 11:20:58 AM

@Puc : i think you're right, but maybe we are the generation that ended the black age. we can be, if we want.
by Edano 7/21/2011 11:21:57 AM

@RBeaner : this is right. the japanese people have to force control. but they are not used to that and it is not their mentality, that's why i think it will not happen. they will be satisfied when treated like a herd of cattle.
by Edano 7/21/2011 11:26:03 AM

it's the same all over the world: people have to demand their rights. if they don't do it, profit wins. but it is not cozy to stand up.
by Edano 7/21/2011 11:29:42 AM

my hope is, atomic industry will be to expensiv to realize furthermore, but what to do with all the atomic punk, guess they will corrupt a few poor states (africa?) to take the rubbish
by Puc 7/21/2011 11:37:07 AM

@Puc Mongolia wants to take the waste.
by Edano 7/21/2011 11:38:24 AM

Mongolia: only 3 Million people and a far wide country
by Puc 7/21/2011 11:40:07 AM

@Puc and corrupt. perfect.
by Edano 7/21/2011 11:40:35 AM

antarctis?
by Puc 7/21/2011 11:41:51 AM

@Puc will melt.
by Edano 7/21/2011 11:42:32 AM

climatic change theme is part of atomic industry game, theme is pushed by them since 2000, conspiration theory worth to think about?
by Puc 7/21/2011 11:47:26 AM

Morning (afternoon-evening)
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 11:50:21 AM

anyway it is stupid to burn fossils, and uranium is fossil as well.
by Edano 7/21/2011 11:51:01 AM

@all. Do you think it would be appropriate for us to write something up explaining that people need to take control, what avenues to do so and explain how the Germans did it?
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 11:52:04 AM

@edano ok! @elaine: germans fighting against atomic power since 1967, Robert Jung wrote 1976: "the atomic state", in the 1970/80 until now there are many demonstrations and juristical actions against atomic power in germany, Robert Jung foresaw many things, now happening... similary in other middle european states
by Puc 7/21/2011 11:58:06 AM

many things now happening in japan are very similary in middle europe after chernobyl...
by Puc 7/21/2011 11:59:44 AM

have to work, by...
by Puc 7/21/2011 11:59:58 AM

Rockhopper said he asked someone to translate our protect yourself document! I asked if they could get us a copy in Japanese when done.
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 12:01:37 PM

At this stage I get the feeling Kan (as well as Edano :)) would be delighted if the people were to become increasingly self-empowered. The alternative (i.e. the opposition regaining power) doesn't bear considering.
by es 7/21/2011 12:05:01 PM

Huh. ABC news running a story about terrorists inflitrating nuclear plants and doing simple sabatoge. They claim terrorists have already gotten security passes into plants.
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 12:08:17 PM

@Edano I will ask Bo if their are any very specific areas where the people of japan have demanded and achieved some "right" from their gov. Some example where they were sufficiently determined to . They have the power, they simply need to exercise it. This is not Yemen, or China or North Korea where the gov will trample and kill them.
by RBeaner 7/21/2011 12:14:58 PM

gm, @edano, the archive of the Strahlentelex site is a treasure trove. It would be great, if people in Japan could read the articles about contamination in Germany. They provide a peep into the future that is sure to unfold in Japan. Some Strahlentelex activists had engineering degrees. Strahlentelex resorted to expert advice on how to carry out their measurements. They also consulted with Stiftung Warentest (akin to Consumer Report in the US). Plenty helpful tidbits for Japanese parents to examine.
by Peter Melzer 7/21/2011 12:36:26 PM

@Peter Melzer are you speaking of the index of articles? The google trans of the page tends to rephrase things and my German is not quite good enough to read the whole thing in German.
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 12:38:53 PM

Some feedback on the citizen testing. They said whatever is set up should use an internet phone friendly site to communicate it. The testing center in Fukushima is citizen run. Sounds like it would be an ideal model for some other areas to copy to build a network.
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 1:08:59 PM

@lillymunster , some have links to pdfs. Perhaps one could get google to translate those.
by Peter Melzer 7/21/2011 1:45:35 PM

Posted by MIA on the other site. No News Flash here- Don't worry- Tepco is "monitoring". Not going to stop an overflow, mind you, but they'll watch! Rain increases contaminated water at plant

Heavy rain brought by a tropical storm has increased the level of radioactive contaminated water at the basements of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

Typhoon Ma-on moved east off the southern coast of Japan's main island of Honshu. 115 millimeters of precipitation was recorded in Namie Town, north of the plant, between Tuesday and Thursday.

Rain has been gathering in the buildings housing the reactors because the roofs were severely damaged by hydrogen explosions that occurred after the initial March 11th disaster.

Tokyo Electric Power Company or TEPCO, the plant's operator, says that at 7 AM local time on Thursday, the level of contaminated water pooled at the basement of the building of the No. 1 reactor was 44 centimeters up from the previous day.

Officials at the utility say that there is no immediate danger of the contaminated water spilling out.

But it is likely that the level of water will continue to rise for the time being. TEPCO says they are monitoring the situation.

Thursday, July 21, 2011 16:17 +0900 (JST)
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 1:50:10 PM

@lillymunster , they may ask the CNIC people for help. They are listed on the Strahlentelex site.
by Peter Melzer 7/21/2011 1:50:23 PM

Oh good find Peter. CNIC has been pretty friendly in the past when I contacted them. They could be a good coordinator to get other local groups to copy the idea locally.
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 1:52:14 PM

What I am trying to do right now is gather all these potential groups(making a list). I think once we have compiled a good list of potential players we should talk to Bo. His co-worker that has contacts with domestic NGOs in Japan would have a better idea of how to try to put people in contact with the other or funnel them to CNIC to coordinate with the German group.
by lillymunster 7/21/2011 1:54:14 PM