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Did an update to the plutonium article. Have to fly for a bit. Will check in when I get back.
by lillymunster 7/25/2011 8:12:55 PM

BTW, if anyone has the ability to edit the Wikipedia entry for Plutonium there are a couple of bits that may need correcting in the medical parts of the entry.
by lillymunster 7/25/2011 8:13:41 PM

@lillymunster : yes. it is a statistical value. you give a person (an animal) a certain dose. then you measure blood (then you know the bioavailability), urine and faeces concentration. (you have to check everything that goes out.) from these values you can extrapolate the clearance and the biological half life of the substance. i imagine they do not have very exact values for humans because there are not many contaminated and the egested concentration will be very low.
by Edano 7/25/2011 8:58:43 PM

@Edano How long a lag was there between the incident and public awareness of its severity in Germany after Chernobyl?
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:04:52 PM

Here in the US it was "very far away" like Fukushima so I don't know whether the Japanese pretend-and-extend acceptance is high or normal for this kind of disaster.
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:09:01 PM

@RadioGuy : i think it was 3 days hidden by russian authorities, then it took about a week to understand the dimensions, but full awareness rose with the first rain and the first independent readings, maybe two weeks later. the german government censored the official readings entirely. they tried to cover up and i think this has become an important reason for the germans to mistrust nukes from then on.
by Edano 7/25/2011 9:11:09 PM

i think the japanese gov lies less than the world lied about chernobyl. it has to keep a balance between truth and avoiding panic. i don't think our governments here would treat it more truthful.
by Edano 7/25/2011 9:13:34 PM

I just wondered, because it seems far longer than it would have taken for me, as a parent, to be completely livid about the obfuscation.

That sentiment (about our governments) seems to be running about 100% in my informal polling.
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:15:20 PM

So far not a single person has objected "Oh no... why would they lie to us?" Though that's probably more an indication of my circle of friends than a scientific poll. ;)
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:16:50 PM

@RadioGuy too many things have occured. people by now have accepted that politicians lie. that was different in the 1980's. most of the people believed in politics and technology.
by Edano 7/25/2011 9:18:49 PM

some years before chernobyl i participated in a school project about nuke energy including fast breeders. i was shocked about the dangers, but the people did not want to hear it. nuke energy was the ticket into the future, and you could not understand the danger without studying books.
by Edano 7/25/2011 9:22:30 PM

I think we need this looked at by someone who can tell us more www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 9:24:13 PM

@Edano Yes I was pretty active around the No Nukes period, because we were fighting the Fort St. Vrain nuclear plant in Colorado, not very successfully: the plant ran for close to 20 years, and was ultimately taken off-line by technical issues, mainly corrosion and embrittlement.
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:28:30 PM

@RadioGuy : imagine living in germany/europe during the cold war. there were nuke rockets everywhere around us and i remember the US slogan "Visit Europe as long as it exists". wow, this was a scary time. and then came chernobyl...
by Edano 7/25/2011 9:30:32 PM

Check the Fuky debate:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/japan-fukushima-reactor_n_902482.html
by CaptD 7/25/2011 9:31:47 PM

@RadioGuy did TMI impress you ? i know my parents had visitors at home from harrisburg and i remember they had a lot of problems (physically and psychally).
by Edano 7/25/2011 9:32:28 PM

@CaptD Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead. Stable. In TEPPYworld that is a slippery term. ;)

btw, @all, the action in Huffpo is in the comments, and greatly outlives and outshines the increasingly sparse articles.
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:33:45 PM

@Edano I had family in Allentown, PA, so yes. It scared the hell out of us all.
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:34:34 PM

well, we all have our dose of radiation. i want to protect my children now.
by Edano 7/25/2011 9:39:47 PM

@CaptD I like the first comment at the moment, a question we've been asking as well:
I know this has been said, but how do you "bring to a cold shutdown" a reactor in which the molten core has escaped containment?
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:40:16 PM

@Edano @RadioGuy have you looked at the link ? www.tepco.co.jp
it is daichi geological tectonic
there is a html translation here you need to match page numbers to view diagrams webcache.googleusercontent.com
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 9:45:53 PM

@elainekirk Man, talk about too much information. That'll take a while to dig through. Really detailed analysis: the entire zone sliced and diced about every which way you can.
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 9:51:16 PM

@RadioGuy yeah quite something isn't it. Whilst browsing I learnt KK NPP access rd was 30cm lower after their quake due to liqiefaction(sp?)
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 9:58:55 PM

@elainekirk -5 points for liquefaction but you have so many extra credit points who cares. :)
by RadioGuy 7/25/2011 10:07:02 PM

transcript of the video from earlier. Desperate Families Say Soviets Reacted More Efficiently to Chernobyl, than Japan to Fukushima www.salem-news.com
by Panserbjorne9 7/25/2011 10:25:15 PM

Three Mile Island real radiation releases 100-1000x larger than NRC admitted enenews.com
by lillymunster 7/25/2011 10:32:36 PM

It has begun, other foods showing up contaminate. Today wheat and rapeseeds and rice hay from 83km away ex-skf.blogspot.com
by lillymunster 7/25/2011 10:41:01 PM

Steve Herman

IAEA video of its chief explaining his visit today to #Fukushima-1 (but no video from inside and reporters weren't allowed to accompany). bit.ly
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 10:48:30 PM

Japan’s Food-Chain Threat Multiplies as Fukushima Radiation Spreads
www.bloomberg.com
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 10:59:09 PM

!!! tweets flying through saying that a law will go through tomoro that has escaped scrutiny that will cap damages I am not sure how bad this is because I am translating but it is generating many tweets
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 11:12:07 PM

And here is an explanation the amount of co
mpensation the power companies have to pay will be capped !! translate.google.com
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 11:17:53 PM

and Asahi report translate.google.com
I am getting totally confused now
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 11:22:03 PM

@bo that is sad it was obviously not feasable but they went ahead anyway
by elainekirk 7/25/2011 11:50:54 PM

A young man sacrificing his future to shut down Fukushima
David McNeill meets a nuclear worker who sees it as his duty to save the stricken plant – even if it means an early grave www.independent.co.uk
by Panserbjorne9 7/25/2011 11:52:32 PM