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  • I think we all assumed, once it was apparent what was happening (which was by March 16th at the latest), that we'd see a well-oiled plan spring into action. They only had decades to prepare.
    by RadioGuy 7/26/2011 6:14:34 PM

  • @Edano , thanks for the links.
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 6:16:13 PM

  • bit pie in the sky but given that we arent seeing airy fairy tales of how safe fuku 2 and onagawa are going to be and how high their tsunami walls are going to be I am starting to wonder if the earth swallowing fuku 1 isnt just a tepco dream and is actually expected? they havent made any real clean up efforts along that coast even in 'safer' areas it is aas though they are sitting and waiting
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 6:17:16 PM

  • Dang, I wish my technical German were better. I can read everything but the important words. ;)
    by RadioGuy 7/26/2011 6:17:39 PM

  • Here from the NISA report: "The Local Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters started its activities at Off-Site Center as designated by Basic Plan for Emergency Preparedness. However, it was moved to Fukushima Prefectural Office in Fukushima City due to high-level radiation as the nuclear accident escalated, communication blackout and lack of fuel, food and other necessities caused by logistic congestion around the site."
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 6:21:29 PM

  • @Peter Melzer thatll be when the workers were on one snack a day then
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 6:22:18 PM

  • And on we go: "The primary functions of the Emergency Response Support System (ERSS), which monitors the status of reactors and forecasts the progress of the accident when a nuclear emergency occurs, could not be utilized because necessary information from the plants could not be obtained. In addition, the primary functions of the System for Prediction of Environmental Emergency Dose Information (SPEEDI), which conducts a quantitative forecast of variations of atmospheric concentrations of radioactive materials and air dose rates, could not be utilized because source term information could not be obtained. Although they were used in alternative ways, the process of their operation and disclosure of the results has remained as an issue."
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 6:24:37 PM

  • @Peter Melzer load of spherical orbs innit?
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 6:34:10 PM

  • And there was their major failure right there. Source terms were irrelevant to plume dispersal.
    by RadioGuy 7/26/2011 6:34:56 PM

  • I am posting more. Essentially they began to assemble coordinators beginning Friday, but did not get much done other than issuing instructions: "On March 11, staff of Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Safety Inspector's Office in charge of Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS were on duty for operational safety inspection, excluding a part-time clerk working at the office. After the quake occurred, three office staff including the Office Manager returned to the Off-site Center, around 5 km west of the NPS, and the remaining 5 nuclear safety inspectors stayed at the NPS to collect information. At 15:42 on March 11, the Local Nuclear Emergency Preparedness Headquarters was established at the Off-site Center as soon as receiving a notification pursuant to the provisions of Article 10 of the Act on Special Measures Concerning Nuclear Emergency Preparedness. Subsequently, Local Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters was established after the occurrence of emergency incidents pursuant to the provisions of Article 15 of the same Act at 19:03 on the same day. The head of the Nuclear Safety Inspector's Office temporarily acted for the head of the headquarters until the Vice Minister of METI arrived pursuant to the provisions of Nuclear Emergency Response Manual.
    However, in addition to blackout due to the earthquake, power was lost due to malfunctions of emergency power source and no communication tools were available at the Off-site Center. Therefore, the head and other staff had to move temporary to the neighboring Environmental Radioactivity Monitoring Center of Fukushima, where they use the satellite phone installed in the building to secure external communication.
    The Vice Minister of METI in charge of the Local Headquarters immediately departed for the Off-site Center with staff of NISA and Secretariat of NSC Japan from Ministry of Defense (MOD) by helicopter of SDF etc. at 17:00 on March 11 pursuant to the occurrence of emergency situation prescribed in Article 15 of the Act on Special Measures Concerning Nuclear Emergency Preparedness and arrived at the Environmental Radioactivity Monitoring Center of Fukushima at 0:00 on March 12. Around the same time, staff of the MEXT arrived separately. From the evening of March 11 to the next day, officials and staff of SDF, Fukushima Prefecture including Vice Governor, Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA) and National Institute of Radiological Sciences and others arrived. However, the initial mobilization of staff and specialists of relevant ministries and agencies originally expected as members of the local headquarters was generally slow. In addition, the person in charge in NSC and the member of the Emergency Response Investigation Committee were not dispatched immediately to the site, as specified in the Basic Disaster Prevention Plan. The earthquake occurred earlier and other reasons seem to have affected the
    mobilization."
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 6:35:01 PM

  • @elainekirk The more you look the worse it gets, eh?
    by RadioGuy 7/26/2011 6:38:16 PM

  • As I read it, the inspectors attached to the plant ran, somebody found the key to the fallback HQ, and the guys began desperately dialing Tokyo numbers. At midnight the first VIPs arrived only to find out that the local subordinates were not ready yet, a typical head without body problem.
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 6:38:55 PM

  • @Peter Melzer Good read on it, I think. Added to that, it's like when they saw the plants starting to go, and DID reach Tokyo, their response, instead of "OMG, we have to get the people out of there!" was "OMG, there goes our nuclear future. How can we cover this up?"

    But realistically, underlying that is that NOBODY ever wants to believe the worst has just happened. Especially when it flies in the face of everything you've made yourself believe for decades.
    by RadioGuy 7/26/2011 6:43:03 PM

  • So we had to move TWICE: "After the emergency power supply of the Off-site Center was recovered and satellite communication system among various communication systems became available, operation of the Local Headquarters became available at the Off-site Center again at 3:20 on March 12. The head of the Local Headquarters directed the heads of relevant local governments to identify the evacuation status, give publicity to local residents, prepare for potassium iodide
    and conduct emergency monitoring, screening and decontamination etc. as the activities at
    the Off-site Center during this time. Information from the power stations, ERSS, SPEEDI and others was not desirably available at the Off-site Center for some period of time. Subsequently, with high radiation dose due to the progress of nuclear emergency and lack of fuel, food and other necessities due to congested transportation around the site, it became difficult to continue effective operation
    at the Off-site Center as the Local Headquarters. "
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 6:45:00 PM

  • Perhaps important is the side note to the radiation levels. The leadership knew precisely the dose on location.
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 6:53:18 PM

  • @Peter Melzer Wow: Information from the power stations, ERSS, SPEEDI and others was not desirably available at the Off-site Center for some period of time. Blanket admission that they were watching SPEEDI from the beginning.
    by RadioGuy 7/26/2011 6:59:38 PM

  • Guess they didn't need source terms to make their decisions based upon SPEEDI. Too bad they decided not to give that choice to the Japanese people.
    by RadioGuy 7/26/2011 7:00:47 PM

  • @RadioGuy , coming to think of the where-abouts of the local first responders, they must have been tied up with the consequences of the earthquake and tsunami. SO when the heavy-hitters from Tokyo arrived, it must have been difficult to find local help. That could have happened in any other country under similar circumstances.
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 7:31:30 PM

  • 31° air, but very much steam at sfp #4 since hours
    by Puc 7/26/2011 7:34:59 PM

  • Hi Puc. I've been watching the smokeshow for 9 hours: really impressive tonight. I also got the M4.1 earthquake 15 minutes ago. Nothing special, but always scary...
    by tomo-kun 7/26/2011 7:51:33 PM

  • @Peter Melzer There is an account of people working at the nearby hospital evacuating. There were SDF people helping them that then were called away to go to the power plant.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 7:52:43 PM

  • @lillymunster , I recall the great tornado in Alabama last spring. Had that tornado happened near Browns Ferry combined with an emergency situation at the plant, Mr Jazsco would have found himself very much alone down there.
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 7:59:48 PM

  • Japan ponders future free of nuclear dependence www.euronews.net
    by Panserbjorne9 7/26/2011 8:01:41 PM

  • Japanese fish: Confusion as importer fights back thecitizen.co.tz
    by Panserbjorne9 7/26/2011 8:03:04 PM

  • Russia wants more detailed information on Fukushima-related pollution www.kyivpost.com
    by Panserbjorne9 7/26/2011 8:04:15 PM

  • Govt must release more data on radiation in seafood: oceanographic group www.fis.com
    by Panserbjorne9 7/26/2011 8:05:33 PM

  • Priest making 600-km disaster pilgrimage www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by Panserbjorne9 7/26/2011 8:06:53 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I think many of these factors are not playing into the NRC's "new" safety planning. There is too much of an attitude that unforeseen things won't happen. They added to the battery and generator requirements but compounded disasters that could easily still not be enough. There are many circumstances where responders won't be there right away.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 8:12:55 PM

  • @lillymunster, ...or think of this scenario: a large wildfire near a npp in CA taking out power, blocking access, and tying up first responders. Then we incur an earthquake strong enough to trigger a seismic scram. Can happen!
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 8:18:01 PM

  • One more... Tainted beef to be burnt www.iol.co.za
    by Panserbjorne9 7/26/2011 8:22:21 PM

  • Sorry for the multiple posts/news blast. Only had a few minutes to jump on/sweep
    by Panserbjorne9 7/26/2011 8:25:21 PM

  • @Peter Melzer plane crash, plus fire, plus epic ice storm/blizzard. Sounds like just another winter day where I live. Could easily cause the kind of stalemate situation where help can't arrive sometimes even with large plows.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 8:27:21 PM

  • As per Audi-tek on the other board... An interesting bio in case it's handy: www.linkedin.com
    by Panserbjorne9 7/26/2011 8:45:34 PM

  • back for awhile
    by dean 7/26/2011 8:56:07 PM

  • I didn't know Yokoso News was still doing fuku broadcasts. www.youtube.com
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 8:57:44 PM

  • @dean hi :) found ICRP stuff
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 9:03:35 PM

  • @lillymunster He just re initiadet it.......remeber he was ALL in denial about TEPCO ...he lost all credibility by cosigning all GOJ actyions.......he lost 80% of his viewers....and the constant rambling than he switched to endless food shows and Reality like programming which was booooooring as heck......no personality doesn't help
    by Veenie 7/26/2011 9:14:41 PM

  • Just saw, he now has 4 screens on top and 3 laptops and a mini...He must be a rich kid..
    by Veenie 7/26/2011 9:18:00 PM

  • Japan to burn disaster rubble as biomass fuel www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 9:20:45 PM

  • Katz has been doing weekly Fukushima updates since May - he missed last Tuesday's update, as he mentions. The Yokosonews archives are here: www.ustream.tv
    by es 7/26/2011 9:22:20 PM

  • Solar salesman scams in Japan www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 9:23:44 PM

  • @ elaine.. what does the ICRP look like? sorry I had to step away for a min
    by dean 7/26/2011 9:25:36 PM

  • Go ahead and delete my post's, obviously i was wrong and my opinion doesn't belong here !
    by Veenie 7/26/2011 9:26:39 PM

  • @ lilly.. maybe they should build a waste dump, put all the waste there from the disaster rubble, imbed methane gas tubes and then use the off gas to power
    generators. they do it at large municipal dump sites
    by dean 7/26/2011 9:27:38 PM

  • @Veenie ??? Someone needs a big smooch :-)
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 9:33:28 PM

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