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  • ICRP are a charity registered in the UK these are the grants they recieved in 2009 taken from accounts submitted to the charities commission the 2010 accounts won't be filed till the autumn www.charity-commission.gov.uk

    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 1:43:58 PM

  • These are the organisations the ICRP feed into sorry about the screenshots but I cannot copy paste from the accounts www.charity-commission.gov.uk

    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 1:46:22 PM

  • Here this came up as a question recently (NISA report, fukushima.grs.de , page VII-7): “Fukushima Prefecture distributed necessary iodine (pills: about 1.51 million pills (for about 0.75 million people), powder: about 6,100 g (for about 0.12 to 0.18 million people)) to cities, towns and villages with administrative districts within 50 km of the Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Station.”
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 1:56:49 PM

  • www.tropicalstormrisk.com Storm Tracker Documents: Prior Wind Affected Areas
    The 'prior wind affected areas' graphical product indicates the regions already affected by a tropical cyclone's high wind speeds. Specifically the product gives the maximum possible extent of areas previously and currently affected by 1-min sustained winds of hurricane Cat 1 strength (in yellow) and/or by 1-min sustained winds of tropical storm (TS) strength (in light green). This information is provided for all active tropical cyclones worldwide. The product will benefit humanitarian relief by indicating the regions likely to be worst-affected by a storm so that aid may be prioritised.

    by Majj via Tropicalstormrisk 7/26/2011 2:02:11 PM

  • Another factoid from the report: “Also, from March 26 through March 30 the Nuclear Emergency Response Local Headquarters
    implemented a survey on thyroid exposure for infants in Iwaki City, Kawamata Town and Iidate Village in cooperation with Fukushima Prefecture in order to understand more precisely the current exposure dose, particularly the health effects to infants who are highly-sensitive. In its implementation, exposure of infants was measured in areas where residents were instructed to stay in-house or in areas whose equivalent dose in thyroid glands was rated as high by the estimation derived by SPEEDI (announced on March 23), and technical advice was received from the Nuclear Safety Commission on the measuring method. From the results among the 1,080 children from 0 to 15 years old that were surveyed for thyroid exposure, there were no children exceeding the screening level of 0.2 μSv/h (equivalent to 100 mSv as thyroid gland equivalent dose for a 1-year old baby).”
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 2:02:17 PM

  • was that the distribution that only covered evac centres? it must be actually as many families said they didnt get any because they didnt qualify for evac or had gone to stay with friends and family . How exactly do 1.5 mmillion pills cover .75 million people???? that would only be two pills each I hardly see that affording them any proper level of protection. Yet again we get fancy numbers meant to impress when in actual fact that is less than two weeks suply for the evac centres
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 2:04:28 PM

  • @Peter Melzer no child exceeded 100msv equivalent! well Japan must be really proud of themselves , actually this was a farce where they waved a counter around the neck of a selection of children (a dozen at each site if I remember correctly) and extrapolated the results
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 2:08:50 PM

  • @elainekirk, here is more on the subject of stable iodine: “This amount exceeds the need for 0.69 million people, or the population equivalent (of those under 40 years old) to the cities, towns and villages within the 50 km radius of Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Station. ”
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 2:09:21 PM

  • @elainekirk , and here is their policy:
    “The Chief of Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters will, on receiving advice from the Nuclear Safety Commission, give instructions to the related cities, towns and villages on the dose of stable iodine by evacuated residents, although the designated cities, towns and villages will distribute stable iodine to residents for administration in the presence of
    medical experts. This is due to concerns for side effects associated with the dose administration such as allergies. Stable iodine is stored in the offices of cities, towns and villages and it is necessary to decide on the procedure to precisely distribute the stable iodine to residents in the event of a real evacuation. In this case, because the preliminary distribution of stable iodine to residents is not appropriate, the cities, towns and villages are to adopt necessary measures so that they can securely distribute iodine to their residents according to various types of evacuation as described below. It is also required that the local government do not unnecessarily stir anxiety among residents while keeping them fully informed. ”
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 2:11:49 PM

  • So there were babies not evacuated that also may not have gotten iodine?
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 2:14:37 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I call bullshit on the .69 unless they saying that it was a one off event because iodine does not provide ongoing protection does it?
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 2:15:17 PM

  • @lillymunster nobody outside evac centres got it cant have public panicking can we:( must go walk doggies
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 2:16:05 PM

  • Slowly the bad news from Japan are spreading. More and more every day. This was post on Gizmodo Australia : Japanese Nuclear Emergency Director: You Have No Right To A Radiation-Free Life:This footage, from a recent meeting of indignant Japanese citizens and feckless Japanese government types should be a little shocking. Sadly, it’s just more of the same – ineptitude and inaction. By denying the right to avoiding radiation? OK, shocking.
    The Tokyo meeting was meant to broach the push to expand the evacuation zone around Fukushima – a zone that’s proven inadequately and dangerously narrow. One Fukushima resident asks, “As other people do, people in Fukushima have the right to avoid the radiation exposure and live a healthy life, too. Don’t you think so?”
    A Nuclear Safety Commission Of Japan rep, when pushed to go beyond his canned non-answer, deadpans “I don’t know if they have that right.” The crowd reacts as you would expect when told they nuclear-threatened welfare isn’t a concern. www.gizmodo.com.au
    by Majj 7/26/2011 2:28:02 PM

  • So add another one to the list of strategic failures. There is going to be so much to learn about emergency response failures. Some of these remind me of a key failure before Katrina hit. They expected school buses to be used to evacuate people. Some of the buses were not called up. Many of the drivers had already fled the city and were not there to drive them. Who was going to go house to house in the "shelter in place" areas and hand out iodine? That doesn't even touch on the lack of proper administration at shelters.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 2:28:30 PM

  • @all, the video of the angry people at the meeting is going viral. We need to help push it that way as much as possible today. If you can post it to other news sites, twitter, facebook etc. Every little bit helps and if we help distribute it today while it is still out there it will have an even bigger impact and may be the push needed to get mainstream media to pay attention.


    Grr. The hospital internet won't let me access the admin for the group website. If anyone else with authoring ability is on can you post the video of the people at the angry meeting on the group website? I can walk you through what to cut and paste etc.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 2:33:01 PM

  • Radiaction is spreading but the news of it also are. Not as much we wanted but it is spreading :-) "Japan Scientists Say Sea Radiation Tests May Miss Seafood Threat". This Bloomberg article has be republish today by San Francisco Cronic today : www.sfgate.com
    by Majj 7/26/2011 2:36:59 PM

  • @ elaine, @ lilly, the NISA descriptions do not give enough detail on where, when and who received those pills. As I understand the pills must be taken immediately after the beginning of the release of iodine-131 in order to provide protection.
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 2:38:00 PM

  • @Peter Melzer my understanding was taken asap and for a series of days
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 2:44:33 PM

  • More info on the cesium pork wwwjisin.jp
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 2:46:04 PM

  • The Japanese Grand Prix will go ahead in October despite leading MotoGP riders, including Australia's Casey Stoner, refusing to go.
    "ARPA, the agency commissioned for this report, has measured levels of radiation from all sources including the air, environment and food," the FIM said.
    "The final conclusion is that 'based on the estimate dose it can be said with no doubt that the radiation risk during the race event is negligible'," it added.Stoner and MotoGP world champion Jorge Lorenzo, who ride for Japanese teams Yamaha and Honda respectively, have both said they will not be going to Motegi. www.abc.net.au
    by Majj 7/26/2011 2:46:09 PM

  • Niigita governor to block Kashiwazaki from restarting reactors. jen.jiji.com
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 2:49:38 PM

  • @lillymunster , it seems that only inhabitants of the officially designated zones may have had access to the pills, and it remains unclear how many people actually took them in due time.
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 2:59:27 PM

  • @all Good Morning...Good Evening...Hello!
    by smoss 7/26/2011 3:02:09 PM

  • @all I havn't seen this elsewhere: the new plan to remove NISA from the trade ministry comes at a time when Japan had been preparing to restart plants to avoid rolling summertime blackouts and then switched tracks to go with IAEA inspired "stress tests" on all its reactor plants, pushing off the restarts.

    atomicpowerreview.blogspot.com
    by smoss 7/26/2011 3:02:16 PM

  • Hi @smoss. And good night all!
    by bo 7/26/2011 3:02:54 PM

  • @bo g'night bo
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 3:09:59 PM

  • @smoss interesting
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 3:10:35 PM

  • @smoss this was sort of mentioned in passing. Not sure if it was one of those statements where they might eventually do it or will actually do it soon.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 3:15:50 PM

  • (Reuters) - Japan has provided 230,000 units of stable iodine to evacuation centres as a precautioary measure in the country's nuclear emergency, the U.N. atomic watchdog said on Monday.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), citing information it had received from Japanese authorities, said about 185,000 residents in areas near nuclear power plants affected by Friday's quake had been evacuated by March 13.

    Iodine can be used to help protect against thyroid cancer in the case of radioactive exposure in a nuclear accident.

    "Japan has distributed 230,000 units of stable iodine to evacuation centres from the area around Fukushima Daiichi and Fukushima Daini nuclear power plants, according to officials," the IAEA said in a statement on its Facebook page.

    "The iodine has not yet been administered to residents; the distribution is a precautionary measure in the event that this is determined to be necessary," it said. www.reuters.com
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 3:18:34 PM

  • @bo Hi and Good Night @elainekirk I agree...interesting political moves @lillymunster I think that's what caught me off-guard a bit, the fact that it was mentioned very casually. Haven't been able to verify with another source.
    by smoss 7/26/2011 3:19:36 PM

  • @peter I have a feeling that the rest went to tepco who 'lost' their supply in the tsunami but am looking for detail to back that up
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 3:20:07 PM

  • @smoss they mention it in passing here and there like it is more to deflect scrutiny than any urgent plan to do it.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 3:30:12 PM

  • @elainekirk , “The Chief of Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters will, on receiving advice from the Nuclear Safety Commission, give instructions to the related cities, towns and villages on the dose of stable iodine by evacuated residents, although the designated cities, towns and villages will distribute stable iodine to residents for administration in the presence of medical experts.” The central gov. seems to absolve itself from its responsibilities.
    by Peter Melzer 7/26/2011 3:30:15 PM

  • @lillymunster Agreed
    by smoss 7/26/2011 3:34:52 PM

  • @smoss I am at a wall with the MOX search. I got to 2009-2010 for known location of the MOX at Kashiwazaki. If it was moved to Fuku it would have been some time between late Oct 2010 and March 11, 2011. If they were to move it after sitting in a sfp could they move it in a standard box or would it have to be casked? This would make a huge difference. If boxed would work it increases the likelihood. If it would need cask shipping it is likely not moved unless they had a major motivating factor to do so.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 3:40:21 PM

  • @lillymunster iirc, mox is never stored without shielding of some kind. Unlike standard fuel rods, it cannot be stored in open air even before it is 'seasoned' (via SFP).
    by M.I.A. 7/26/2011 3:44:32 PM

  • @lillymunster I think it would have to be casked for transport...
    by smoss 7/26/2011 3:45:08 PM

  • @M.I.A. correct. IIRC they were shipping it out from the factory in casks for safety so they would have to cask ship it no matter what.
    by lillymunster 7/26/2011 3:47:28 PM

  • @lillymunster Like you, I've hit the wall a bit as well. Everything that I've run across in document translation comes down to circumstancial inconsistancies. I am still intentional about finishing the translations and presenting the comparison/contrast...
    by smoss 7/26/2011 3:57:00 PM

  • could there maybe be a no mox clause in kk permissions to restart from prefecture?
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 4:03:10 PM

  • @elainekirk I would hope so! Something tells me that Japan won't let go of its Plu-thermal plans though, it will become a matter of pride (I think).
    by smoss 7/26/2011 4:08:15 PM


  • would the clause cause them to move their stock to fuku
    by elainekirk 7/26/2011 4:09:03 PM

  • If I understand the icrp paper correctly, they came to these conclusions. 1) evidence of effect at 10mGy. Strong evidence at 100mGy 2) At low and very low doses there is not enough evidence to definitively show a correlation to cancers (however, see further conclusions). 3) There is no reason to think that there is a low threshold for radiation, and certainly not a 'universal' one. I.E. There's no low dose that doesn't have the potential to adversely effect cells. Even if there were, it wouldn't be a set amount for everyone. (Linear, No Threshold Theory). 4) Some organs seem to be a bit less likely to get cancer at low/very low doses, to include small intestines, bone and skin. 5) Damage to DNA occurs in key genomic regions, and occurs early in the process. 6) Ionizing radiation is capable of producing a unique type of damage where there are multiple lesions close together. 7) Even one track may cause these multiple, close lesions. 8) Since this is not a frequent exposure, there hasn't been strong selective pressure to facilitate the development of good DNA/cell repair mechanisms, as exist for other threats to cell health. Though some of the cell's natural repair mechanisms will eliminate some of the damage. "In particular, a high lower limit attests to the reality of danger associated with a given exposure, and a low upper limit provides assurance as to the relative safety, and presumably the acceptability, of the exposure when seen in the context of other hazards of daily life." www.icrp.org
    by M.I.A. 7/26/2011 4:09:33 PM

  • @All Tried to digest that paper- this is what I came away with, fwiw. Gotta go. Bye!
    by M.I.A. 7/26/2011 4:10:35 PM

  • @elainekirk I think it could be a motivating factor, if KK was not going to use the MOX, and yet Fukushima was intending to move to a 1/3 MOX core in 3 operating cycles. The only thing that puzzles me a bit, is how they would make adjustments to 28 FAs to make them usable in a reactor that was planned to use 32 FAs?
    by smoss 7/26/2011 4:13:31 PM

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