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Evacuation grants for Fukushima uni students with kids or pregnant minnade-ganbaro.jp
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 1:59:46 AM

@Peter Melzer The worst thing... we need to find a way to store the waste at the filters of the contaminated water cleaning system. At the filter, 100,000,000 or 1,000,000,000bq/sq cm of radioactives. (I dont remember which is correct, but doenst matter)
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:01:11 AM

@ikrockhopper that is a really good sign if the were able to pressure the store into doing that. The solution may be "grassroots" one.
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:01:23 AM

@ikrockhopper - good to hear some reading are being done. The trick is to find out what it will take and if readings are calibrated correctly. If it were me, and i could see the results of what i was feeding my family - I think I would get very active if the results were poor. I can see a on-line map now... gottta run.
by Mid Valley 8/13/2011 2:02:21 AM

@Peter Melzer And amount of the super-high-nuclear-waste will be like 20 sq meter in total. can you believe this? Human being, even ALEVA, doesn't have technology to deal with it.
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:02:31 AM

@ikrockhopper waste can be "vitrified" where they send it to France to be encased in industrial glass, or bury it in some sort of concrete shielded bunkers. Or both.
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:02:40 AM

@Peter Melzer just giving you this for later 14yr old pollyfilla job in bottom unit 3 pressure vessel www2.jnes.go.jp
by elainekirk 8/13/2011 2:03:33 AM

@Edano Can I find somewhere what IAEA and ICRP did in their policies after Chernobyl?
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:04:04 AM

@ikrockhopper simplyinfo is going to do an article on icrp
by elainekirk 8/13/2011 2:05:57 AM

@lillymunster Ohhhhh, the grant is toooo small, and only temporary.
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:06:08 AM

@ikrockhopper this is the gap that is not understood about nuclear power. All that waste has to go somewhere. The nuclear fuel contaminates things creating more waste. The US is trying to deal with Hanford, unbelievable amounts of nuclear waste that will take decades to process and safely contain. It is so bad because they just dumped things anywhere during WWII and the Cold War. Now they are paying for it. Nuclear power plant fuel, we have nowhere to put it all. Nuclear is just not a sustainable power source but the average person doesn't know about Hanford or spent fuel.
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:06:11 AM

@ikrockhopper icrp says 100 mSv is okay for adults, 50mSv for children.
by Edano 8/13/2011 2:06:15 AM

@Edano ICRP are also out of their minds and financed by the NRC etc. :-)
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:06:43 AM

@lillymunster even this super-high?
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:07:01 AM

@ikrockhopper IRCP's levels are too high.
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:07:29 AM

Mid Valley raised a very good point. many JPs dont trust any readings TEPCO/gov/local office did.
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:07:34 AM

@elainekirk Great! and the translation function is wonderful!
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:09:14 AM

@Edano This is what JP gov say, and this is why kids didnt get potassium iodine!!!!!!
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:10:27 AM

Toshio Katsukawa katukawa
by save_child
This is a problem each Yuyushiki! ! "[4] treatment of the radioactive contamination would happen," ordinary primary "face radioactive sewage facilities in Tokyo," flowing from the river to the sea in large quantities can not be trapped here guys nkbp.jp I.
katukawa 勝川俊雄
by save_child
これはゆゆしき問題ですぞ！！「どうなる放射能汚染物の処理【4】“原発並み”の放射能抱える東京の下水道施設」　nkbp.jp ここでトラップできなかった奴らが川から海へ大量にながれてくるのです。
by elainekirk 8/13/2011 2:10:55 AM

Even with 35mSv thyroid equivalent dose, kids didnt get protective iodine intake.
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:11:10 AM

@PeterMetzer yes it was helpful, but a little over my head. Hard to tell if people on the West Coast should be worried. I know we should be worried about people in Japan! but not sure if we should worry here.
by inCalifornia 8/13/2011 2:11:29 AM

@ikrockhopper what about fighting for iodine tablets? maybe an organised appeal for iodine for the children shame the goj?
that may get people active
by elainekirk 8/13/2011 2:12:10 AM

@inCalifornia we have purposely incomplete data. I saw a mention about safecast setting up a US program possibly?
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:12:39 AM

@inCalifornia , this dose is low and was accumulated over three weeks. I would be worried more about fresh produce, wild berries and such.
by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 2:14:53 AM

@elainekirk Sewage in Kanto (Tokyo and surrounding prefs) has high radioactives. And, sewage sludge will go to incineration facilities, none of which has a filter for radioactives, plume will go outside of facilities, ash will go to landfill or be construction materials. Landfill will get contaminated water out to the rivers. Contamination already spread out
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:15:11 AM

@lilymunster, I know for sure it is incomplete. I hope safecast does. Check this out www.enviroreporter.com
by inCalifornia 8/13/2011 2:15:23 AM

@lillymunster I was thinking safecast earlier in their report they talk of people being really interested (and shocked) when they showed them about taking readings, I was wondering if safecast would get onboard with rockhopper and give 'lessons' in taking readings
by elainekirk 8/13/2011 2:15:58 AM

@petermetzer right, but for how long? worrying about fresh produce?
by inCalifornia 8/13/2011 2:16:08 AM

@elainekirk In terms of iodine tablet, even I didn't think that was the problem until you pointed out. The majority of JPs don't think about it, also. However, I really want to bring this violation against children's rights of survival into the global state. It will get attention from many people around the world.
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:16:46 AM

@ikrockhopper, we wondered about who precisely was in charge of the distribution of the iodine pills and gave instructions when and who should take them.
by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 2:16:59 AM

@lkrockhopper greetings from Chugoku! From Hiroshima!
by bo 8/13/2011 2:17:32 AM

@inCalifornia Oh that one. I have checked it from time to time. There was a reporting station from someone else in Tehachapi CA. He would still book spikes but unsure if they were from Fuku or from the fires at Los Alamos.
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:17:51 AM

@ikrockhopper , the distribution policy of iodine was a complete disaster.
by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 2:18:05 AM

@Peter Melzer as rockhopper said it just wasnt known --a country with dozens of nukes and no education in emergency situations - as it is with most countries - who has ever been told of nuke precautions
by elainekirk 8/13/2011 2:19:26 AM

@Peter Melzer Good point :) Some local cities/towns in Fukushima distributed the tablet to residents 'to reduce fear,' but with caution, 'Never take the pill until mayor tell you to do. And, you should take it unders physician's supervision.' No one knew what was happening back then, and the order never came. Some took it immediately anyway, though, according to the news at the end of March
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:20:06 AM

@elainekirk right. Watching things happen in Japan knowing we probably wouldn't fare any better. US govt was denying everything and local govt here is incompetent.
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:20:40 AM

@Peter Melzer So, distribution=local office, intake order=??? At that point, many residents trusted officers, and followed the advice (and didn't take the pill)
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:21:08 AM

@bo Hi, oh, are you the person @lillymunster mentioned before?
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:21:52 AM

@ikrockhopper yes :-)
by lillymunster 8/13/2011 2:22:12 AM

@elainekirk yes, the exact same thing would happen here. They care more about avoiding panic than telling people the truth. What can people do now, to help the people in Japan?
by inCalifornia 8/13/2011 2:22:58 AM

Yes, been busy here with the anniversary of the bombing and also with some deadlines at work, but so glad to meet you.
by bo 8/13/2011 2:23:07 AM

@inCalifornia , Cs-137 could begin to show up in detectable concentrations in mushrooms and berries in some areas of the Pacific Northwest beginning with the season next month.
by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 2:23:23 AM

@lillymunster so it isnt just a Japan problem global awareness needs raising and by default the Japanese will then be part of a global campaign which removes much of the stigma I think at any time it can be horrid to feel different so if they are part of something bigger
by elainekirk 8/13/2011 2:23:42 AM

@Peter Melzer JP society of radiation research put the advice on their website, 'No iodine intake unless you are under physician's supervision.' This is never be practical, right? All the nuke plants are in remote rural areas. How many physicians do they have?
by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 2:24:22 AM