Japan Earthquake

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by Edano via Solarserver.de 8/22/2011 1:02:52 PM

2.bp.blogspot.com (hard to understand for non-germans)
by Edano via 2.bp.blogspot 8/22/2011 1:06:06 PM

@lillymunster Regarding the article in The Canadian National News about Fukushima, the only thing I can say is that, although I've been doing research on the alien paradigm for over 10 years, I don't recall ever having come across the names Dr. Micheal Salla, Jim Stone or Dr. Lash (which means either I dismissed them as not relevant or bogus, or they are newcomers). I have read about the theory but there is no support to it other than the theory itself - it's a mix of philosophical concept and fiction. There is strong evidence that aliens have interfered before in nuclear facilities in the past but there is no evidence that they've done so in recent decades. I think they realized Humanity is a lost case and gave up trying to help us decades ago.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 1:07:53 PM

@Pedro Jesus the people you mentioned are into all sorts of conspiracy theories.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 1:09:41 PM

@lillymunster Maybe that's why I might have erased them from my memory. ;) I hate conspiracy theories unless they are supported by facts and evidence, which is not usually the case. I do remember having read about that Archon theory before, several times.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 1:12:07 PM

@lillymunster Having said that, the name Salla is ringing a bell now. I'll check him up. But it's probably because I have a Finnish friend called Salla.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 1:14:29 PM

an "interdimensional war" against humans and they have no other idea than a "tsunami bomb" in one of the centres of seismic activity ? this is very poor. i think we will win that war.
by Edano 8/22/2011 1:18:20 PM

@Pedro Jesus that crowd at least on their conspiracy stuff is absent facts. This is the same group of people that are insisting Israel planted a bomb in unit 3... Jim Stone is a big pusher of that "theory"
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 1:18:59 PM

@lillymunster Well, after a quick Wiki peek I thing I might have come across Dr. Salla's work because he was involved in the East Timor conflict trying to bring Indonesian and East Timor's leaders together to draft a peace agreement.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 1:20:03 PM

if they wanted, only the US could destroy the entire earth with their weapons, and the aliens have nothing better than a tsunami bomb ?
by Edano 8/22/2011 1:20:49 PM

@lillymunster @Edano LOL. I believe they're nut cases. Don't waste your time reading through that crap if you're interested in alien conspiracies. There are a lot of good sources out there.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 1:22:49 PM

@Pedro Jesus Oh that guy. He had some other outrageous theory about fukushima so I googled his name, he was in some sort of trouble in the Phillipines for corruption charges.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 1:25:41 PM

english.kyodonews.jp

Searching for radiation-resistant rice
Foreign-originated brands of rice are grown in an experimental rice field at the Fukushima Agricultural Technology Center in Koriyama, Fukushima Prefecture, on Aug. 18, 2011. The research agency has been examining around 110 varieties of rice from inside and outside Japan in the search for strains that absorb less radioactive cesium from soil, following the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 8/22/2011 1:28:20 PM

@lillymunster Jeez.... he doesn't have a very credible background does he?
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 1:28:49 PM

TEPCO plant in Niigata to close for checks

Tokyo Electric Power Company has begun taking steps to shut down a nuclear reactor in Niigata prefecture, on the Japan Sea coast, for regular inspections.

With the shutdown of the No. 7 reactor at the Kashiwazaki-kariwa nuclear power plant early Tuesday, 74 percent of Japan's nuclear reactors will be out of service.

The company started taking steps to gradually halt power generation at the No. 7 reactor on Monday afternoon. Power is to be halted before dawn on Tuesday.

The reactor is scheduled to be suspended for regular checkups for about 3 months.

Operation of the No. 1 reactor at the Kashiwazaki-kariya plant was stopped on August 6th.
With the shutdown of the No. 7 reactor, only 2 nuclear reactors out of 17 operated by TEPCO will be in service.

This means 40 out of 54 nuclear reactors in Japan will be inactive.

TEPCO says it will make up for the power loss by generating thermal and hydropower. At the same time, the utility is calling on consumers to continue saving energy.

Niigata Governor Hirohiko Izumida stated earlier that a decision to restart the reactors within the prefecture will be made only after results of the investigation into the Fukushima plant nuclear accident are presented.

Monday, August 22, 2011 18:04 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 8/22/2011 1:32:47 PM

@Edano Saw this recent posting Re CAMS equipment, on physicsforums:
www.physicsforums.com
"There was some discussion of the CAMS units at Fukushima a while ago. I am at the Texas A&M Cyclotron right now, and they have a CAMS here. I looked for the manual but could not find it in the repository for manuals. But, I did get a good look at the unit. It is about a 12 x 12 x 6" box, with a paper filter and a small Silicon detector. I think the vacuum pump to suck air through the filter is external. The filter paper is on a roll and is advanced at regular intervals. So, this unit requires maintenance to replace the filter paper every so many days. Also, if it is exposed to steam or high amounts of water vapor, the filter paper is likely to disintegrate like wet toilet paper, and make the unit stop functioning.
Jon"
by es 8/22/2011 1:38:39 PM

@es interesting...
by Edano 8/22/2011 1:40:31 PM

good morning to all
by dean 8/22/2011 2:02:22 PM

good morning, I am back home and am able to participate more. As to rad monitoring of the primary containment, I once posted values that I found must not be exceeded under conditions of normal reactor operation. According to this BWR manual www.iaea.org , Table 3.3.6.1-1 the thresholds are:
Drywell_______________138 Roentgen/h________1.38 Sv/h
Reactor Building Exhaust__60 milliRoentgen/h_____0.60 milliSv/h
Refueling Floor__________20 milliRoentgen/h_____0.20 milliSv/h
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 2:02:32 PM

good morning peter
by dean 8/22/2011 2:05:30 PM

@ Edano, lilly, Peter, I was thinking of another topic that may be interesting to unfold... "What is the Stress Test they plan on conducting"... is it purely analysis using different assumptions which is what I suspect. Once they (probably privately) get the results, decisions will be made most likely behind closed doors to make sure they can still operate the plant. Hopefully with a defined set of modifications/upgrades to ensure safe operation within the assumed analyses variables
by dean 8/22/2011 2:08:31 PM

The rd monitor at the tall vent stack is supposed to be installed in a heavily shielded box outside the stack and measures radioactivity in samples drawn periodically through two pipe systems of different diameter which allow different ranges of sensitivity. At TMI, the stack monitor had only one range which was topped by the emissions during and after the accidents. Thus, how much iodine was released remains an estimate. As result, the NRC stipulated the two pipe system. I suspect that the rad monitors for the primary containment work the same way. I do not want to dispute the validity of the highly fluctuating high rad levels that the graphs show. But one possible reason could be that the gas flow through the monitor is uneven.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 2:09:35 PM

@dean , that is exactly what I took away from the NISA report to the IAEA. The stress test is a nothing more but a probabilistic risk assessment with somewhat more stringent cut-offs.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 2:12:47 PM

I liked the quake-related shaking and breaking corium idea. Would not this mean that iodine is still released in pulses after each quake?
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 2:16:28 PM

finance.yahoo.com it's amazing at how long it takes NRC to approve new designs like the AP1000 yet, for China they just order one and it start to be built... Westinghouse is now building 4 in china
by dean 8/22/2011 2:17:09 PM

@Peter, I think it would burb many isotopes
by dean 8/22/2011 2:17:54 PM

AP1000 design review began in 2006...
by dean 8/22/2011 2:18:32 PM

@dean I saw some news articles maybe 2 months ago where some experts were concerned about major design flaws in the AP1000 design
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:21:52 PM

Sounds like the admission of uninhabitable land and compensation will come Saturday. If Kan admits it is permanent or not remains to be seen. www.nytimes.com
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:23:40 PM

@ lilly ... it will be interesting to pick up the report from NRC which is probably published on their approval for this phase
by dean 8/22/2011 2:26:10 PM

This is going to get ugly if they compensate one person with high rad living 12 miles out but not their neighbor and expect the neighbor to live next to a hot spot.
"The survey found radiation above the safe level at three dozen spots up to 12 miles from the plant. That has called into question how many residents will actually be able to return to their homes even after the plant is stabilized."
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:26:15 PM

@dean On the AP-1000?
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:26:41 PM

@Dean, I saw your commendable effort to explain the models used to assess radiation dose risk. I found this link: trishul.ict.griffith.edu.au . It is not necessary to understand all details of this lecture. The take-home message is that a cell possesses means to repair DNA damage. However, the capabilities can be exhausted which may depend very much on the individuals exposure to other mutagens.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 2:26:48 PM

The NRC questioned the durability of the AP1000 reactor's original shield building in the face of severe external events such as earthquakes, hurricanes, and airplane collisions. Therefore, Westinghouse modified the design.[2] A US nuclear consultant engineer has also criticized the AP1000 containment design arguing that, in the case of a design-basis accident, it could release radiation; Westinghouse has denied the claim.[3] The NRC anticipates completing the overall design certification review for the AP1000 around September 2011.
by dean 8/22/2011 2:27:47 PM

This is the NYT article about the AP 1000 design flaws. Found a bunch more artcles will post in a sec. www.nytimes.com
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:28:31 PM

@lilly I read the hanford report part 1 yesterday, well done.
by Panserbjorne9 8/22/2011 2:30:20 PM

Gundersen comments on the AP-1000 fairewinds.com
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:30:37 PM

@Panserbjorne9 Thanks! :-)
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:30:45 PM

very interesting @ Peter I like the graph with comments
by dean 8/22/2011 2:33:11 PM

NRC was critical of AP1000 also www.nirs.org
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:38:00 PM

@dean, if my home was near the plant my message to the government would be that I was willing to move back home after the rad levels returned to where they had been before the accident. That would be my baseline position for any negotiations.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 2:40:50 PM

....because the levels before the accident were the levels at which we had peace of mind.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 2:42:32 PM

@Peter Melzer I think that should be the basis for the whole region. People should not be asked to live in areas of artificially inflated radiation levels. They didn't cause this problem and shouldn't be expected to shoulder the additional risk.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:43:20 PM

this is terrible. Belgian match halted after 'Fukushima' taunt
au.eurosport.com
by Panserbjorne9 8/22/2011 2:44:46 PM

It was ironic I spoke to someone last night that lived downwind of Hanford in the 50-70's. It sounds like the locals had some sense of the danger even before the govt. officially admitted it. He said they were not allowed to drink rainwater, eat snow etc. as kids. He knew enough to not swim, fish etc. in the river. People knew radiation was leaking into the river but didn't know the details.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:45:24 PM