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@elainekirk sorry wrong word. i did not mean active abortions, i meant miscarries (is this the word when a fetus is lost ?)
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:26:57 PM

@ elaine, and fukushima prefecture has had some history on abortion rates etc over the years...
by dean 8/25/2011 12:27:03 PM

@dean hi dean, what kind of history ?
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:28:13 PM

@Peter Melzer maybe we can "math out" the psychological aspect if we compare it with suicide rate. ....... complicated math.
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:29:38 PM

from a 2006 report No one denies that Fukushima is faced with a serious problem. Rural areas throughout Japan are seeing a steady decline in their population numbers, as well as alarming increases in abortion rates. In 2004, there were 15.8 abortions for every 1,000 women in Fukushima. The national average is 10.6. The Fukushima number increases to 17.7 when you narrow the demographic to minors.
by dean 8/25/2011 12:30:05 PM

@Edano , I think the term is "spontaneous" versus "induced". I do not understand how they come up with the fatalities. First, we have not heard of acute fatalities yet. Second quite a number of the long-term cancers may be treatable these days. These numbers can only be a very rough rule of thumb.
by Peter Melzer 8/25/2011 12:30:13 PM

@Peter Melzer did you see the graphs further down ? we discuss them all the time.
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:31:16 PM

@Edano , there are studies on the psych effect on miscarriages after TMI, where no fatalities were presumed as a result of exposure.
by Peter Melzer 8/25/2011 12:32:31 PM

back in the 2004 time frame this was done......In Japan, prefectures administer foster care programs, and what's notable about the Fukushima plan is that it is the first one in which children are assigned a place in foster homes before they are born. Infant adoption is very rare in Japan because of the emphasis on blood ties. Foster parenting is acceptable because it is a social welfare measure. It is there to solve a problem.
by dean 8/25/2011 12:33:32 PM

with all the home destruction the foster plan could be difficult which may resort to abortion trends rising..
by dean 8/25/2011 12:34:05 PM

search.japantimes.co.jp this was the article
by dean 8/25/2011 12:34:43 PM

@Peter Melzer i am quite sure noone tested the lost fetuses on dna alterations. so you can always cover up radiation effects by psychological effects. it is simply the most convenient explanation.
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:35:21 PM

@Edano , yes I saw and I am wondering what produces the humps of the upper black diamonds and purple squares at 10 km. They use the same symbols multiply oddly!
by Peter Melzer 8/25/2011 12:35:47 PM

@dean rockhopper may be able to point you to public health statistics in JP.
by lillymunster 8/25/2011 12:37:35 PM

@Peter Melzer maybe there is a physical explanation that most particles settle down 10 km away ? maybe the venting chimney ? i know that the contamination from coal plants with high chimneys is higher at a certain distance than directly at the plant.
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:39:53 PM

ty @lilly.. I was wondering what may happen to the miscarriage/abortion rates as a result of the damage caused by the tsunami and fuku in japan and talked about it some time ago
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by dean 8/25/2011 12:40:03 PM

@Edano , they may have looked for chromosomal aberrations.
by Peter Melzer 8/25/2011 12:40:15 PM

@Peter Melzer in tmi times ? i don't think so. but maybe. if there are documents....
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:41:13 PM

@dean but we don't have any data yet ?
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:44:54 PM

@Edano abortion is still controversial in the US. In 1979 TMI time it was only legal for maybe a decade or less. Not sure what records might exist. Maybe at the state level?
by lillymunster 8/25/2011 12:45:11 PM

@Peter Melzer @Edano this has abortion/misscarry stats from nuke accidents www.nirs.org
by elainekirk 8/25/2011 12:45:48 PM

@lillymunster no, sorry, not abortions ! i meant spontaneous miscarriages.
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:46:05 PM

www.hss.doe.gov @ lilly.. perhaps a document worth saving
by dean 8/25/2011 12:46:20 PM

huh, in german we have different words for "induced abortion" versus "spontaneous abortion".......
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:47:09 PM

@ Edano, I'm thinking there would be some data if it were possible to get to the right source (where abortions may be performed) or from the medical reports like hospitals.... I could imagine a decision to terminate based on the loss of hope for the future and the concerns over having a child raised with such a mess going on resulting in a burden
by dean 8/25/2011 12:48:28 PM

@all: sorry, i did not mean "induced abortions", i meant spontaneous fetus deaths caused by dna alterations due to radiation. not abortions. i used the wrong word.
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:52:00 PM

THANK YOU ALL FOR FIGURING OUT THE FIG!!!!!
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 12:54:59 PM

I just read email from Elaine :)
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 12:55:12 PM

@ikrockhopper satisfied ?
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:55:36 PM

TEPCO executive knew about tsunami predictions

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says a top executive knew about a simulation 3 years ago suggesting that a tsunami over 10 meters high could hit the plant in the event of a major earthquake.

The Tokyo Electric Power Company said at a news conference on Thursday that then-senior vice president Ichiro Takekuro was briefed about the simulation results conducted in the spring of 2008. The plant was designed to withstand a tsunami only up to 5.7 meters high.

A spokesperson of the utility said it did not publicize the results because they were based on a hypothetical situation.

Japan's nuclear regulatory agency disclosed on Wednesday that Tokyo Electric did not report the prediction to the agency until March 7th -- 4 days before the more-than-10-meter-high tsunami hit the plant.

An agency official criticized the firm for withholding the information for so long, saying it would have helped in risk assessment.

On Thursday, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said he'd been told that Tokyo Electric knew in 2008 about the possibility of a major tsunami.

Edano said it's extremely regrettable that the utility did not act on the simulation results and beef up the plant when it had plenty of time to do so.

He also said it's regrettable that the firm did not provide the information until it was forced to do so because of a government probe.

Thursday, August 25, 2011 17:34 +0900 (JST)

www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:56:28 PM

No I haven't known what the figure meant, I just read that you all found out what it meant, and English version of it. So, I feel so happy :)
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 12:56:40 PM

@Peter Mezler @Edano The Countermeasures section in the pdf with The Graph points out that the model assumes evacuation within 10km from the plant, so possibly this contributes to that uptick beyond 10k (p.33).
by es 8/25/2011 12:57:32 PM

www.bellaonline.com interesting read
by dean 8/25/2011 12:57:58 PM

@es yeah, cool. good that you read it entirely. :o
by Edano 8/25/2011 12:59:03 PM

@dean Jizo is everywhere. For miscarriage and aborted babies.
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 12:59:42 PM

@dean Oh, actually, they are not Jizo. Jizo is a general term for disciples of Buddha. Mizuko-Jizo is the term of these small jizo.
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 1:00:59 PM

so, why jizo? with Fukushima?? We had some news that some women terminated their pregnancy with the fear of radiation effects.
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 1:02:04 PM

english.kyodonews.jp

Classes resume in Fukushima after summer break
Elementary school students head to a junior high school in Kawamata, Fukushima Prefecture, on Aug. 25, 2011. Classes for the pupils resumed after a summer break at the junior high school that day as their original elementary schools are in Iitate, near the radiation-leaking Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 8/25/2011 1:02:30 PM

@ikrockhopper @ikrockhopper I will email you the convo on the docs
by elainekirk 8/25/2011 1:05:04 PM

@Edano You wrote down there, "the first effect we will be able to notice will be miscarries (abortions). we should keep on eye on the statistics, if there are some." That's what we think, exactly. The number of abortion will not be accurate, but still, we will see considerable drop in the number of birth in each month. That will imply the number of miscarriage and intentionally terminated pregnancy.
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 1:07:09 PM

@ikrockhopper I have emailed you the convo from English doc remenber to read it from bottom to top (^O^)
by elainekirk 8/25/2011 1:08:11 PM

@elainekirk Thank you! I saw the first one but its right side was deleted and couldn't read... I am looking forward to it! OK, I think I really need sleep.
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 1:09:31 PM

Again, Thank you so much for your help, to all of you!!!!!
by ikrockhopper 8/25/2011 1:10:08 PM

@ikrockhopper sleep well rockhopper
by elainekirk 8/25/2011 1:12:48 PM

@ikrockhopper-san, just wanted to mention my wife suffers from severe migrane head-aches. No caffeine and no MSG really help her. Sleep tight, :)
by Peter Melzer 8/25/2011 1:26:32 PM