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  • @hudebnik have a wonderful time ::)
    by elainekirk 8/28/2011 10:10:12 PM

  • Thanks - I'm caring for a small Kiwi!
    by hudebnik 8/28/2011 10:11:41 PM

  • news.nationalgeographic.com
    @hudebnik a smaller than this

    by elainekirk via News.nationalgeographic 8/28/2011 10:22:56 PM

  • Pretty good diagrams of #2 venting system (yup I know you need 4 still looking)
    www2.jnes.go.jp
    by elainekirk 8/28/2011 10:25:06 PM

  • Pictures of the CRIIRAD lab in Japan while they do a workshop showing people how to test food over on Organize
    by lillymunster 8/28/2011 10:28:29 PM

  • Someone claiming the concrete at Fuku is substandard? nakatard 中田琢史Takushi Nakata
    by kinoryuichi
    Strength of concrete, Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant reactor building "very low" because there was a reaction from people organize and you write. 21N/mm2 design strength of a typical small apartment is about today. Equivalent or better in handling large-scale structures of radioactive material, or are preparing for the unexpected. Of that is my personal impression.
    by lillymunster 8/28/2011 10:41:56 PM

  • @lillymunster japans concrete 'trade' is mostly controlled by the criminal element that is why so much of it is radioactive they have always mixed waste in it (so I understand)
    by elainekirk 8/28/2011 10:48:08 PM

  • @elainekirk Concrete on big industrial things like bridges and I would assume a reactor would be tested. Who knows though. The person who posted didn't elaborate or put out a link.
    by lillymunster 8/28/2011 10:55:26 PM

  • @lillymunster just looking
    by elainekirk 8/28/2011 11:09:24 PM

  • No cesium detected in seawater near No.3 reactor

    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says no radioactive cesium was detected in seawater around the No.3 reactor on Saturday. This was the first time the substance was not detected since the monitoring began.

    Cesium levels around the No.2 reactor were down slightly from those detected on the previous day.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, monitors the concentration of radioactive substances in seawater near the water intakes of the plant and offshore.

    Seawater collected near the water intake of the No.2 reactor on Saturday recorded 0.077 becquerels of cesium-134 per cubic centimeter, which is 1.3 times higher than the government-set safety limit.

    It also contained 0.075 becquerels of cesium-137, or 0.83 times the limit. Both figures were slightly down from the levels found on the previous day.

    In April, the level of cesium-137 in seawater near the water intake of the No.2 reactor was found to be 1.1 million times the safety limit. Since then, the density has declined, and recently is leveling out.

    Seawater sampled near the water intake of the No.3 reactor did not contain any cesium-134 or cesium-137.

    No radioactive materials were found in seawater taken from 7 locations along the coast and offshore.

    Monday, August 29, 2011 05:40 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 8/28/2011 11:40:01 PM

  • @Edano and everybody believes tepco ...maybe the fairies flew down and waved their wands...maybe the fish ate it...
    by elainekirk 8/28/2011 11:44:14 PM

  • english.kyodonews.jp

    New mayor of tsunami-hit Otsuchi
    Yutaka Ikarigawa (C) shakes hands with a supporter after winning the mayoral election in Otsuchi, Iwate Prefecture, on Aug. 28, 2011. The election was held to fill the vacancy left by the death of Mayor Koki Kato, who was killed in the March earthquake and tsunami. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp

    by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 8/28/2011 11:44:44 PM

  • iangoddard.com

    Now I believe the ignition source of the Unit-3 explosion was an ex-vessel steam explosion as shown in this animation. Molten corium triggered a steam explosion upon contact with injected seawater that had flowed out of the reactor vessel and pooled at the bottom of the containment vessel. This process is already a known risk and was described in Moriyama et al. : www.jstage.jst.go.jp

    by Ian via Iangoddard 8/29/2011 12:06:16 AM

  • @Ian does this contradict or fit your theorie ? www.asahi.com mdn.mainichi.jp
    by Edano 8/29/2011 12:11:30 AM

  • meltdown #3: 3/13 11:00
    explosion: 3/14 11:01
    core breach: 3/14 22:10 (acc. to NISA)
    by Edano 8/29/2011 12:17:46 AM

  • @Edano, I don't think Tanabe contradicts this model. Something more happened on Mar 21 for sure, perhaps a larger load of corium relocated. But there's every reason to believe melt-through had happened by March 13 when reflooding began about 24 hrs before Unit 3 blew.
    by Ian 8/29/2011 12:18:10 AM

  • www.houseoffoust.com

    meltdown #3: 3/13 11:00
    seawater injection: 3/13 16:34
    explosion: 3/14 11:01
    core breach: 3/14 22:10 (acc. to NISA)
    water spray: 3/17 19:05
    fresh water injection 3/25 10:10

    by Edano via Houseoffoust 8/29/2011 12:19:25 AM

  • www.facebook.com can people 'like' this wall please it is OB_Li and her 'save fukushima save our children' group
    by elainekirk 8/29/2011 12:24:50 AM

  • Research on the Mark-I calculated RPV melt-through in under 14 hours www.ornl.gov www.osti.gov www.osti.gov

    And TEPCO reported on the 13th that upon reflooding, “the water level within the pressure vessel [reactor] did not rise for a long time.” www.tepco.co.jp The failure of the water level to rise despite inflowing water is consistent with the water flowing out of the reactor. That the level did eventually rise is consistent with the level in the exterior containment vessel eventually rising high enough to allow the water in the reactor to finally rise.
    by Ian 8/29/2011 12:28:02 AM

  • I still need to go back and read through Ian's new info. I wanted to mention that MOX has faster melt and higher temps. Of course the reactor stats will tell us the actions. But guesses by NISA etc. could be off if they use the same guess for the uranium reactors as they did the MOX ones.
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 12:37:22 AM

  • @Edano, not a big deal, but the time you cite "seawater injection: 3/13 16:34" does not match Tepco's press release of March 13, which states: "we began injecting water containing boric acid that absorbs neutron into the reactor by the fire pump from 09:25AM, Mar 13." www.tepco.co.jp As for NISA saying when core breech occurred, what is there basis? The NRC says the nutron emitters Arnie attributes to the SFPs came from a core or cores. The explosion of Unit 3 is the most obvious vehicle for such relocation. @Edano, not a big deal, but the time you cite "seawater injection: 3/13 16:34" does not match Tepco's press release of March 13, which states: "we began injecting water containing boric acid that absorbs neutron into the reactor by the fire pump from 09:25AM, Mar 13." www.tepco.co.jp

    As for NISA's core-breach time, what is their basis? The NRC says the neutron emitters Arnie attributes to the SFPs came instread from a core. The explosion of Unit 3 is the most obvious vehicle for such relocation,and if so, core contents must have been available for relocation.
    by Ian 8/29/2011 12:37:58 AM

  • Why the Fukushima disaster is worse than Chernobyl
    Japan has been slow to admit the scale of the meltdown. But now the truth is coming out. David McNeill reports from Soma City www.independent.co.uk
    by Panserbjorne9 8/29/2011 12:42:40 AM

  • @Ian the time of seawater injection i took from tepco as well. could it be that there was a delay because of failing hoses/pumps ?
    the NISA source is the report to the IAEA where they admitted much faster meltdowns than before.
    by Edano 8/29/2011 12:46:50 AM

  • @Panserbjorne9 That is a big statement from a major newspaper. I hope it is enough to get some in Japan that have been ignoring the situation to take notice.
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 1:00:58 AM

  • Can you imagine having your life torn apart and being exposed to radiation then being offered 6 pounds compensation? WTH?
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 1:07:36 AM

  • Compensation
    Fukushima: Tepco's share price has collapsed since the disaster largely because of the amount it will need to pay out, about £10,000 a person
    Chernobyl: Not a lot. It has been reported that Armenian victims of the disaster were offered about £6 each in 1986
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 1:07:37 AM

  • @Edano, I don't know. There does seem to be an innocuous error in that same Tepco press release of March 13. Right on top it says, "Miyagiken-Oki Earthquake that occurred yesterday at 2:46PM." But yesterday on the 13th was March 12, yet the quake was March 11.
    by Ian 8/29/2011 1:10:43 AM

  • I think this is an important analysis (posted by its author here). It shows that the pressure drop in the containment vessel of Unit 3 was most dramatic at the explosion. This fits with any theory that the explosion involved projected forces from within the containment. gyldengrisgaard.dk

    by Ian via Gyldengrisgaard.dk 8/29/2011 1:15:04 AM

  • From the NISA report to IAEA, p12-13:
    "3) Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS Unit 3
    ∙ (Loss of Power supply) The reactor was scrammed by the earthquake at 14:47 on March 11,
    and the external power supply was lost and two emergency diesel generators started up. The
    two emergency diesel generators were stopped by the tsunami and all AC power was lost at
    15:41 on the same day.
    ∙ (Cooling of the reactor) The Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System (RCIC) was manually
    started at 15:05 on March 11. It stopped automatically at 15:25 on the same day due to the
    rise of the reactor water level. It was started manually at 16:03 on the same day, and the RCIC
    stopped at 11:36 on March 12. The High Pressure Core Injection System (HPCI)
    automatically started due to the reactor low water level (L-2) at 12:35 on the same day, and
    the HPCI stopped at 2:42 on March 13. The reason for that appears to be a drop of pressure in
    the reactor. The other probable cause could be water-vapor outflow from the HPCI system.
    ∙ (Status of the reactor core) The operation for injection of water containing boric acid
    commenced using a fire extinguishing line at around 9:25 on March 13. However, the water
    could not be injected sufficiently due to the high pressure in the reactor, and the water level in
    the reactor lowered. As a result, water injection was halted at least for 6 hours and 43 minutes
    after the HPCI stopped at 02:42 on March 13 until water injection using the fire extinguishing
    line started at 09:25 on the same day. According to the results of NISA’s analysis, the fuel
    appears to have been exposed due to a drop of the reactor water-level at around 08:00 on
    March 13, and the core started melting afterwards. A considerable part of melted fuel seems
    to have moved to and accumulated at the bottom of the RPV. However, there is a possibility
    that the bottom part of the RPV is damaged and a part of the fuel has dropped and 13
    accumulated at the dry well floor (lower pedestal).
    ∙ (Hydrogen explosion) A wet well vent operation of the PCV was carried out at 05:20 on
    March 14. A hydrogen explosion occurred at the reactor building at 11:01 on the same day. It
    seems that zirconium and water reacted along with a rise in the temperature in the PCV, and
    that gas containing hydrogen by such ways as leakage from the PCV accumulated in the
    upper area of the reactor buildings triggered a hydrogen explosion. "
    by Peter Melzer 8/29/2011 1:25:21 AM

  • @Lilly- agreed, I was happy to see the article and I'm sending it to everyone I know.
    by Panserbjorne9 8/29/2011 1:34:21 AM

  • @Peter Melzer this is a cofusing and contradictory report on the time of the water injection. were there two delays or one ? do they repeat themselves ? was there a delay after 9:25 ???
    by Edano 8/29/2011 1:44:57 AM

  • i'll try to work on all this data tomorrow. maybe i find some logic in it.
    by Edano 8/29/2011 1:45:42 AM

  • @Edano I wonder whether either or both of these significant quakes may have aggravated matters at Daiichi back in March?
    18:56 19 March 2011 Northern Ibaraki Prefecture M6.1 depth 20 km
    07:12 23 March 2011 Southeastern Fukushima Prefecture M6.0 depth 10 km
    The one on the 23rd was very shallow, almost a direct hit on the NPP, came with no warning, and seemed to be followed by another approximately half an hour later. See here: www.youtube.com
    Figure 1 on this page labels 7 inland quakes M>6 but lists and briefly describes only 5 of them: unit.aist.go.jp
    by es 8/29/2011 1:55:27 AM

  • greetings to all
    by dean 8/29/2011 1:55:33 AM

  • Hi Dean
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 2:02:20 AM

  • oh cripes look at the time google has a lot to answer for
    by elainekirk 8/29/2011 2:05:08 AM

  • @dean greetings young man ;)
    by elainekirk 8/29/2011 2:05:30 AM

  • ha ha @ young man
    by dean 8/29/2011 2:06:02 AM

  • @dean did you see the seismic docs we found?
    by elainekirk 8/29/2011 2:26:11 AM

  • Fukushima radiation into the sea may be in violation of international law
    law.marquette.edu
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 2:28:16 AM

  • @lillymunster drifting away a little but greenpeace worry me they started out as the champions of the day an then after the sea survey without releasing the full results they went quiet and are now in the uk seeking judicial review of the uk govs nuke plans, which is good but why arent they seeking to have Japan answer to the fuku mess ?? why is no gov'agency'charity making any bloody noise??
    by elainekirk 8/29/2011 2:32:17 AM

  • I am going to sleep g'night all :)
    by elainekirk 8/29/2011 2:37:56 AM

  • @elainekirk worth investigating on Greenpeace.
    Have a good sleep. :-)
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 2:41:41 AM

  • Anger in Fukushima www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 2:43:19 AM

  • More from the group that did the workshop with CIIRAD: Nationwide Child wrote: "Thanks! Will be published on the Web donations from today! Council's Instrument to Koganei Corporation and radioactivity was measured food I dandelions in Tokyo since the Chernobyl accident, and instrument selection for operations, We have gotten advice! the monitoring stations for citizens by citizens have joined forces with everyone, we would like to create in each province. "
    by lillymunster 8/29/2011 3:15:13 AM

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