
@Edano I will try Edano :)
by elainekirk 8/29/2011 9:33:08 PM


walkie talkie or camera, my monies on walkie talkie or maybe camera....nah walkie talkie
by elainekirk 8/29/2011 9:33:54 PM

they are watching us.
by Edano 8/29/2011 9:35:21 PM

@elainekirk Hand held PC or smartphone? I think he is either reading or viewing something.
by lillymunster 8/29/2011 9:39:26 PM

or gps navigation.
by Edano 8/29/2011 9:45:02 PM

back for a bit
by dean 8/29/2011 9:50:27 PM

@dean hi
by elainekirk 8/29/2011 9:51:06 PM

@Panserbjorne9 have we seen the top of the nearest tower on the tbs/jnn?
by elainekirk 8/29/2011 9:51:42 PM

@Will you are a marvel, a treasure , thank you :)
by elainekirk 8/29/2011 9:52:17 PM

@Panserbjorne9 dunno they certainly have us guessing
by elainekirk 8/29/2011 9:55:47 PM

What are you trying to get a better view of or figure out?
by lillymunster 8/29/2011 10:00:34 PM

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Dominion Resources workers were inspecting the North Anna nuclear power plant in Mineral, Virginia on Wednesday, a day after the largest earthquake to hit the U.S. East Coast in six decades knocked both reactors offline, the company said.
A series of plates that recorded Tuesday's 5.8 magnitude quake were sent to an outside company for analysis, a Dominion spokesman said.
"This is the first time a seismic event has shut down one of our power stations," said Dominion spokesman Jim Norvelle. "We are seeking a quick turnaround."
Dominion reported no "major" damage to the North Anna station which automatically shut when the earthquake disrupted the flow of outside power needed to operate the plant's many safety systems.
Diesel generators started up, as designed, to keep the reactors' radioactive cores cool until off-site power was restored about seven hours after the 2 p.m. EDT earthquake.
In addition to looking for possible quake damage at North Anna, federal nuclear regulators want to see seismic data from the site to determine if the quake was stronger than the plant was designed to withstand.
That will be critical in determining how long the 1,806-megawatt station will remain shut, officials said.
"In light of the quake's strength and proximity to the plant, the NRC will soon decide whether to conduct a follow-up inspection, aimed at determining how the quake compares to what the plant was designed to withstand," the NRC said in a statement. ------- NOW my comments to this statement on North Anna, 1) if the seismic trips are in service their response time is much much much less that that of the off site power and they should have not said an off site power loss caused the reactor to shutdown - 2) a confession of no major damage is an admission that there was damage and we should know what it is - 3) the NRC should not say.. "in light of what happened they may perform a "follow-up" visit to see if it was higher than the plant was designed.... this is the kind of information that makes people upset
by dean 8/29/2011 10:01:02 PM

@Dean. They put unit 1 into cold shutdown but still have unit 2 in hot standby. They say they are now going to put 2 into cold shutdown. Is there a technical reason for doing this vs. putting both in cold shutdown at the same time? I wondered if the two reactors are too much for the lake to deal with.
by lillymunster 8/29/2011 10:06:18 PM

At North Anna, the ground motion was registered on a sensor attached to a transformer that takes high-voltage electricity from the grid and converts it to a lower voltage that can be used inside the plant. The sensor disconnected the transformer, according to plant officials, and that caused automatic shutdowns of the turbines — the devices that turn steam from the reactor into the rotary motion to turn a generator. When the turbines “tripped,” the reactors followed..... for a COMMERCIAL POWER PLANT to have this happen is not right.... you don't initiate a scram to the facility by tripping power and then the reactor.. DUMB
by dean 8/29/2011 10:11:26 PM

@ lilly.. I think it sounds like they had @2 in a stable but hot standby and focused on #1 first, in light of what has happened all over ,,, and then, hopefully they will get #1 there also, In addition, they did do some venting off steam on the plant and that would put some kind of transient on the system that would have to be stabliized
by dean 8/29/2011 10:18:48 PM

@lilly did they dispel the information about the seismic system being removed? when earlier there had been shutdowns from seismic with 4.2 magnitude
by dean 8/29/2011 10:20:53 PM

time for my ride...
by dean 8/29/2011 10:21:55 PM

@dean Have not seen anything confirming they still have a seismic trip system. The last report we had of a seismic trip at Anna was 2003. I sent an email to Dominion Virginia's PR office and asked them to please correct this if it is inaccurate (the link we had that said seismic gear was removed). I have gotten no reply.
by lillymunster 8/29/2011 10:22:30 PM

@lillymunster begining to sound like they didnt like the expense the automatic system cost them
by elainekirk 8/29/2011 10:24:24 PM

@Edano I found some original maps just got to find you English now
radioactivity.mext.go.jp ah they may be wrong ones not sure give me a minute
by elainekirk 8/29/2011 10:35:47 PM

@Ian nice elaboration. good that there are a lot of measurings in the first days. so you neglect the first pressure drop in the night ? :)
i'm nearly convinced that you are right.
by Edano 8/29/2011 10:39:43 PM

the pressure graphs have always been puzzling me. now it seems to make sense.
by Edano 8/29/2011 10:40:54 PM


www.houseoffoust.com
@Ian : and now the same for #2, please ! www.tepco.co.jp

@Peter Melzer Do we know if Anna has a seismic trip system and if they do why did it not work?
by lillymunster 8/29/2011 10:42:25 PM

@Peter Melzer that seems problematic since now they are saying it was likely beyond design basis. If they do have seismic trip equipment in place and a beyond design basis (likely) quake didn't trip the reactors before the power outage did? I was under the impression all nuclear reactors in the US would have such a system. Either we are missing a piece of information or something isn't right.
by lillymunster 8/29/2011 10:47:56 PM


@Ian for #1 we have very bad data www.houseoffoust.com somehow the readings are too late. #1 melted down too fast.

@Ian in #2 we have the same initial drop before the meltdown, a bit different, but a drop as well.
by Edano 8/29/2011 10:51:52 PM

and we have a significant drywell pressure rise from core dripping on cement in #2, more significant than in #3 !
by Edano 8/29/2011 10:53:50 PM

@lillymunster ian found a very good explanation for the pressure readings. this explanation dates the meltdowns and core breaches much earlier than nisa. maybe we could make an article on that theory (if ian doesn't mind). this could be a very good story.
by Edano 8/29/2011 10:56:48 PM

@Ian in #2 graph, you can even see the predicted pressure "shaking" (up and downs) on "structural relocation, core slump and vessel dryout" before core breach !
by Edano 8/29/2011 11:03:36 PM

@Edano I have been trying to keep up with it today in between popping in and out. I saw the chart below, is that temp or pressure?
by lillymunster 8/29/2011 11:03:57 PM

@Peter Melzer some do. Jeez.
by lillymunster 8/29/2011 11:05:00 PM