
@Panserbjorne9 labour said there were WMD's in Iraq
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 8:41:14 PM

@artnuke Did you find some thing that connected the guy who had acute leukemia (radiation poisoning) and the guy in the image? We found that the image was taken at the same time frame as when the guy worked there but didn't find further connection.
JP culture is more private and that was cited as reason for not releasing his name or more details. I personally think it was a convenient dodge by TEPCO to not provide any details on the incident. They could give more details without giving the person's name.
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 8:43:19 PM

@Panserbjorne9 the wind farm could be good
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 8:44:44 PM

@artnuke would you happen to know the trigger for auto immune type 1 or asthma or the myriad of other auto immune diseases that have become rife in recent years?. It would be really good if the people who are so certain that x,y and z pose no threat to human health could just run through a list of suspected environmental triggers and pick out the culprit
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 8:50:37 PM

@artnuke i really wonder why certain people wear dosimeters and why nukes have a primary containment, and why radioactive water isn't just released to the ocean, and i even wonder why they do not simply spread the nuclear waste around the world. if there is a threshold, spread and dilute !
by Edano 9/26/2011 8:57:45 PM

@hedge that'a good idea. i can't stand this constant pro nuke agitation.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:02:34 PM

@artnuke I prefer to deal in facts. I don't possess the evidence necessary to establish that the person in the photo is the same person. Though I find the situation suspicious.
As with the science of radiation exposure I don't have time for the idea of "camps" or politics. The problem is that our knowledge of radiation science is partially piecemeal and partially distorted and suppressed by people with other motivations. Some claim it is way worse than it is, others claim there is no risk or minimal risk. I would rather deal in facts. So I spend hours mucking through dry as toast journal articles trying to pick out facts.
In doing that one thing I have found is that we have lots of data, some of it very old but nobody seems motivated to put it all together and attempt to make some clearer connections. We do have some "best guesses" on exposure levels for safety. What has been established by the medical community and for worker safety are at least guidelines to go by. The problem of inconclusive studies are also ripe for exploitation. Science doesn't always get the answer right away. So "we don't know for sure" is a valid conclusion. People with agendas will take that "we don't know" and declare is a definitive negative when it isn't
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 9:02:39 PM

I need to run for a few, back in a bit.
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 9:03:34 PM

@elainekirk what was our secret keyword ? i forgot it, but i wanted to say it now.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:08:01 PM

@Edano you remember doncha it's...
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:10:48 PM

@elainekirk something with tepco, but i really forgot it. :(
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:11:18 PM

@Edano no immediate threat to human health
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:11:50 PM

@hedge i am really interested in your bbc complaint. have you written anything ?
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:12:59 PM

teppypuppy ?
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:14:33 PM

@hedge @Edano
I will join you in any complaint
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:15:04 PM

@hedge it is very good a couple of typo's . Only thing I would say is
• The program seems to be presenting a clear message that the main health issue is from stress caused by worry about radiation and evacuation. (Yet Professor Al-Khalili requires wellies for protection to walk in a school playground outside the main evacuation area.) Whether or not this is true, is it a sign that people shouldn’t worry about the radiation or a sign that we should avoid nuclear power stations exploding?
Could just be
• The program seems to be presenting a clear message that the main health issue is from stress caused by worry about radiation and evacuation. Yet Professor Al-Khalili requires wellies for protection to walk in a school playground in a populated area
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:21:25 PM

@Hedge, very good and calm well thought out. You could add that the spent fuel cycle is frequently left out of the "cost" of nuclear power and taxpayers generally end up paying for that. In many cases the costs are astronomical and in the US we still don't even have a spent fuel solution.
You could also add something that this piece does nothing to look at other viewpoints beyond the presenters. The presenter KNEW this piece was going to get blowback. He commented on his twitter account that people were going to dislike it and he accused anyone of disagreeing with him as being "conspiracy theorists" clearly this presenter has some objectivity issues of his own that fail him as an unbiased presenter of science to the public. Feel free to add in any of my babble or bits of it as you see fit. I think what you have there is great.
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 9:24:59 PM

@hedge very cool. i would add that a "cold shutdown" is a term used for a normal operating reactor that is in a stable state in which it does not produce enough neutrons to establish criticality. it cannot be used for crippled reactors with completely unknown state of the fuel.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:25:01 PM

(or you just don't use "cold shutdown", that's easier) :)
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:28:39 PM

i think we face a major outburst of nuke PR, half a year after the catastrophe. the iaea meeting marked the starting point, and major media like the bbc will participate.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:31:14 PM

@Edano the bbc are despised North of the Border they are such brown nosers they wouldnt know an unbiased report if the fell over it and would probably report it as terrorist propoganda
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:34:54 PM

by the way, it is revealing that a professor talks about the advantages of nuke power (climate blabla, chaep blabla) without evaluating it in the wake of a nuke accident. it is simply pointless in this context.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:35:14 PM

@Edano who is he I think I will go dig
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:36:31 PM

Oh look the prof is such a professional
news.bbc.co.ukby elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:40:24 PM

@elainekirk omg he is soooo funny. :(
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:42:01 PM

why does a "Professor of Theoretical Physics" talk about a nuclear accident on tv ??? it is not his field.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:43:38 PM

@Edano
www.guardian.co.uk and don;t forget the comments
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:47:21 PM

okay, he seems to be a nice and funny theoretical scientist, but he has absolutely no idea of nukes, health or politics, he did not publish anything about it. so i think he is definitely overrepresented here.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:56:33 PM

@Ian well done. we have a similar clown (Aiman Abdallah) here in german tv, but noone takes him serious. it is just "popular science".
by Edano 9/26/2011 10:08:16 PM