Japan Earthquake

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this is remarkable.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:41:53 AM

@Edano if the people could find more businesses to support them the economy focused ptb may start listening
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:42:57 AM

on the one hand the automakers demand sufficient power supply, on the other hand they don't want nukes near them. anyway, it will be hard for suzuki to find a place distant from a nuke. :)
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:44:19 AM

@Edano yeah Japan is pretty well covered by npp's I think there is probably only fault lines that are more prolific ;)
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:45:48 AM

@elainekirk i could imagine that parts of the industry fear the bad reputation of japanese brands in the future. who wants to buy japanese green tea or fish anymore ? belarus and ukraine industry still suffer from chernobyl, i don't know any product from these countries that is sold here.
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:48:01 AM

Japan to freeze fast-breeder reactor project

Japan is likely to freeze a research and development project related to putting a fast-breeder nuclear reactor into practical use.

The education, science and technology ministry plans to request more than 20 billion yen, or about 260 million dollars, in its 2012 budget to maintain and manage the troubled prototype fast-breeder Monju reactor. This is roughly the same amount budgeted for the project as in the current fiscal year.

But the ministry is planning to ask for only 20 to 30 percent of the 10 billion yen, or about 130 million dollars, allocated in the current fiscal year for research and development on the project.

This is due to uncertainty over Japan's future nuclear policy in the wake of the accident in Fukushima.

Fast-breeder reactors run on recycled spent fuel as the core of a nuclear fuel-recycling program. Japan has been conducting research to put such a reactor to practical use by 2050. Test runs are now under way at the Monju experimental reactor in Tsuruga City, Fukui Prefecture.

Following the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, the government has been reviewing its basic energy plan, making its future nuclear policy unclear.

The ministry says it has concluded that it cannot proceed with the project when it is unclear which way the government's energy policy will go.

Monday, September 26, 2011 16:47 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 9/26/2011 9:48:52 AM

@Edano yup they handled it very badly and yet again the people are the ones to suffer
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:49:21 AM

@Edano 'Today, sloughed off allegiance to the organization. There is no remorse. Not completely regret.' worker tweeting
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 9:49:49 AM

Massive doc but the url could be worth keeping www.mhlw.go.jp

This is provisional translation. Please refer to the original text written in Japanese.
As of 14:00, September 16, 2011
The damage situation of and measures taken for the Great East Japan Earthquake
(99
th
announcement)
Ministry of Health, Labour, and Welfare (MHLW)
※The underlined parts are changes from the last version
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 10:00:53 AM

Hi, @ALL. Pleased to be back if only for a moment.
@ElaineKirk, yes, indeed, and not just the URL but the doc itself.
> Massive doc but the url could be worth keeping
by ALBLEE 9/26/2011 10:43:47 AM

@ALBLEE greetings how nice to see you back
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 10:46:32 AM

@ALBLEE I hope you will be joining us more often
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 10:47:33 AM

@ElaineKirk, it's a terrible thing to be yanked out of touch. Thanks.
I do hope to slowly get back on stream, depending on how work prospects work out in the coming couple of weeks. I may get a desk job back (I really hope so) that will make me reconnect on a more regular basis.
To keep on topic, that mhlw.go.jp doc is a potential gold mine and future smoking-gun document on Japan executive arm disaster response.
by ALBLEE edited by alblee 9/26/2011 10:49:17 AM

@ALBLEE it does look rather interesting glad you like it I worry sometimes that ~I post irrelevant stuff there is just so much about sorting the wood from the chaff is not easy

You're doing a great great job, @elainekirk. I'm sure I'll see more interesting stuff that you've dug up once I get to spend more time backtracking on this scrib. You guys done and still doing great. - Alblee.
by elainekirk edited by alblee 9/26/2011 11:00:28 AM

Well I have to go out I think @Edano has found all the news hope to see you soon @Alblee
by elainekirk 9/26/2011 11:04:46 AM

TEPCO news release mentions contractor finger injury

Tokyo Elec. Power (Sep 26,2011) Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 3:30 pm, Sep. 26, presumably JST)
Secondary source:
www.4-traders.com

QUOTE
One of the staff from the cooperating companies was injured catching his forth finger between the steel stocks in site of the power plant (outdoors) at 11:05 am, September 26. The staff returned to the office outside the site and was carried to the emergency medical office of Unit 5 & 6 with a surgical mask on, not the full-cover mask. We are planning to conduct a measurement with a whole body counter just in case. Contamination on the surface of the body and the surgical mask is not detected.
UNQUOTE
by ALBLEE 9/26/2011 11:12:07 AM

Bye, @elainekirk. Hope to be on board more in the coming days.
by ALBLEE 9/26/2011 11:12:55 AM

Apology if redundant post...

28 million cubic meters 'hot' soil in Fukushima
Ministry aims to set storage site guidelines
From The Yomiuri Shimbun (Sep. 26, 2011)
www.yomiuri.co.jp

These figures indicate the size of the temporary facilities that will be needed to store the soil, and the capacity of intermediate storage facilities where the soil will be taken later.
by ALBLEE 9/26/2011 11:22:20 AM

Morning! (afternoon-evening)
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 11:51:08 AM

Short SciAm report quoting Sachiko Sato : www.scientificamerican.com
by Ian 9/26/2011 11:58:58 AM

morning @ lilly..
by dean 9/26/2011 11:59:17 AM

Hi Dean!
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 12:00:42 PM

@ lilly.. I have to work today for awhile,,, I'll be around my buddies with brains... any questions..
by dean 9/26/2011 12:03:59 PM

MEXT radiation database : radioactivity.mext.go.jp
by Ian 9/26/2011 12:04:18 PM

@ lilly have you seen this
by dean 9/26/2011 12:07:56 PM

Gov't to freeze research into fast-breeder reactor
by Ian 9/26/2011 12:08:38 PM

@dean how realistic is decontamination (communities), that would be the question du jour. :-)
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 12:10:50 PM

@dean, wish someone would do a translation on that movie, I'd love to hear all its assurances of safety, the same assurances now being transferred to newer plant designs.
by Ian 9/26/2011 12:11:21 PM

I do also @ Ian,,,, the film almost makes you want popcorn..
by dean 9/26/2011 12:14:14 PM

@lilly.. fuku redefines "decontamination"... decontamination leads to recontamination
by dean 9/26/2011 12:16:03 PM

@ illly one thing on that particular video at about 11:49, it shows the bottom of the vessel and one can imagine it being full of corium
by dean 9/26/2011 12:18:13 PM

also.. how the control rods move just after that
by dean 9/26/2011 12:18:59 PM

Good morning good people! Ian the pics on the plant contamination I posted yesterday were taken from the September update of the NISA report to IAEA, chapter II.
by Peter 9/26/2011 12:20:14 PM

@ 12:10 where the control rod lower housing is at bottom,,, and, where the corium started to heat and then melt through
by dean 9/26/2011 12:20:18 PM

good morning Peter.. very nice seeing you today
by dean 9/26/2011 12:20:28 PM

@Dean, will go through the video and see what I can grab for image stills also.
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 12:22:03 PM

@Peter did that paper say anything about them running air out the vent stacks now to clear the buildings? Elaine thought something did as far as adding to the high rads by the vent tower but we couldn't sort out for sure.
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 12:22:15 PM

@ lilly.. there is a part II also
by dean 9/26/2011 12:23:37 PM

@dean , have a fruitful brainy day, :) lilly I am not that far. The chapter has 200 pages or so. I shall watch for that. But I imagine that the vent paths from the drywell may be stuck open.
by Peter 9/26/2011 12:24:35 PM

@Peter I wondered if they had either been part way open from the vent attempts or failed during the explosions.
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 12:29:50 PM

be back in a bit ...
by dean 9/26/2011 12:33:10 PM

@lillymunster , I recall there are valves that need air support, valves you can turn manually, and the breaker disk. The valves ar in the habit to reclose on the own. There is no way to be certain right now.
by Peter 9/26/2011 12:48:38 PM

sarry working again: "After that, we identified that the cause of the shutdown was closure of a valve in the system due to malfunction of an air compressor for valve actuators. After replacing the compressor, at 5:02 pm on September 25, we restarted the 2nd Cesium absorption apparatus and at 5:05 pm, reached the rated flow." www.tepco.co.jp
by Edano 9/26/2011 1:42:49 PM

@Edano did they ever get the high rad blob out of the pipes so they could change filters?
by lillymunster 9/26/2011 1:44:57 PM

Gov't to allow ash containing over 100,000 becquerels of cesium per kg to be buried. .....From now on, ash with radiation levels of over 100,000 becquerels is required to be solidified with cement and can be buried at facilities where measures are in place to prevent the seeping of rainwater and the leakage of contaminated ash to groundwater...... mdn.mainichi.jp
by Majj 9/26/2011 2:34:08 PM