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@Edano there was never really talk about evacuation from the govt or media. I remember people seeing high-ish levels and wondering when they were going to evacuate. This was when people were wondering t if it should be a 50mile zone per the US.
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 12:30:49 AM

anyway, people seem to have moved away voluntarily. fuku city looked like a ghost town i a report i saw.
by Edano 9/28/2011 12:32:54 AM

planned spent fuel pool cover in #4: www.tepco.co.jp
by Edano 9/28/2011 12:33:58 AM

@Edano I would have. Just too close to the plant. They mayor is more worried about the economy and his job than safety.
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 12:35:59 AM

@lillymunster what a difficult decision. i think i would have stayed, but without my family... ohhh, i dunno...
by Edano 9/28/2011 12:39:10 AM

by Edano 9/28/2011 12:40:18 AM

i see a "fuel exchanger" on that graphic ..... ?
by Edano 9/28/2011 12:42:37 AM

@Edano refueling crane.
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 12:43:55 AM

looks like fun. first a glide and then float scooter.
by Edano 9/28/2011 12:47:24 AM

are those really high readings near the gas/steam escape www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 9/28/2011 1:05:30 AM

@Edano looks like part of Ninja Warrior.
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 1:07:11 AM

by Edano via Placasplacas 9/28/2011 1:08:13 AM

@elainekirk not directly under it but very near it. Follow the curve of the reactor back to the left past those two horizonal lines and your below the leak.
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 1:08:55 AM

@Edano Wheeee!
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 1:09:53 AM

by Edano via Gormitis.br 9/28/2011 1:10:27 AM

g'night all :)
by elainekirk 9/28/2011 1:42:26 AM

Nite Elaine!
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 1:45:27 AM

Fukushima Desolation Worst Since Nagasaki as Population Flees From Fallout www.bloomberg.com
by Mid Valley 9/28/2011 2:46:35 AM

NOVA on PBS TV, Wednesday, Sept 28 will show two programs which focus on the Japan crisis Japan's Killer Quake www.pbs.org followed by Surviving the Tsunami www.pbs.org
by Mid Valley 9/28/2011 2:58:30 AM

UPDATE 1-Tepco reform plan calls for axing 7,400 jobs -paper www.reuters.com (original article) www.reuters.com
by Mid Valley 9/28/2011 3:17:20 AM

who is paying for study? Researchers to study effects of radiation on Fukushima marine life to rejuvenate fisheries mdn.mainichi.jp What to know more about Fukushima Prefectural Fisheries Experimental Station -Read here: read.jst.go.jp
by Mid Valley 9/28/2011 3:41:12 AM

Tepco May Face Insolvency Without Nuclear Reactors, Nikkei Says www.bloomberg.com
by Mid Valley 9/28/2011 4:05:53 AM

@Mid Valley, lol, so the plan is to study the effects of ocean fallout in oder "to rejuvenate local fisheries in the wake of the Fukushima nuclear disaster." I love it how each Japanese article I read on a research plan openly states that the goal of the "study" will be to bring public calm, or in this case to increase sale of (contaminated) fish.
by Ian 9/28/2011 4:58:15 AM

cofffffffeeeeeeeeee
by elainekirk 9/28/2011 7:35:47 AM

We received the instruction document*1 titled "Submission request for the
report on the Accident Operation Manuals of Units 1 to 3 at Fukushima
Daiichi Nuclear Power Station" from the Nuclear and Industrial Safety
Agency (NISA) of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry.
(Previously announced on September 27)

Based on the instructions, yesterday we submitted a report to NISA on the
Accident Operation Manuals of Unit 1 at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power
Station.

In addition, yesterday we also received an instruction document*2 from NISA
titled "Response based on the report on the Accident Operation Manuals of
Unit 1 at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station".

Per the instructions, we will organize materials regarding information
contained in the Accident Operations Manual that may be detrimental to
safety if publicly released and report them to NISA.

END

*1 Instruction document
Submission request for the report on the accident operation manuals of
Units 1 to 3 at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
(September 26, 2011, NISA)

*2 Instruction document
Response based on the report on the accident operation manuals of Unit 1
at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
(September 27, 2011, NISA)

We have provided a Japanese press release version of the instruction
document received from NISA. However, at this time we have reserved the
right not to provide an English version due to potential misunderstandings
that may arise from an inaccurate rendering of the original Japanese text.
We may provide the English translation that NISA releases in our press
releases. However, in principle we would advise you to visit the NISA
website for timely and accurate information. www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 9/28/2011 7:38:27 AM

that is a classic Tepco concerned about 'safety' I didnt think they knew the word or it's meaning
by elainekirk 9/28/2011 7:40:29 AM

Village warns residents over TEPCO redress claims

A village in Fukushima Prefecture is warning residents to be wary of signing a compensation document from Tokyo Electric Power Company for damage caused by the nuclear plant accident.

The document says that residents must renounce their right to file objections after they have received payments.

Iitate Village, located near the nuclear plant, is criticizing TEPCO for asking applicants to sign the document before the damage can be fully assessed.

Many residents have evacuated the area because of high levels of radioactivity released from the plant.

Village officials say it doesn't make sense for TEPCO to ask for signatures now.

A written warning will be distributed to all its 2,500 households.

The warning states that additional requests for redress will probably not be accepted.

Wednesday, September 28, 2011 09:09 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 9/28/2011 8:04:48 AM

5th floor in #4 (pool cover) does not have high rad readings: www.tepco.co.jp
by Edano 9/28/2011 8:16:33 AM

@Edano thanks for that link I have spread it
by elainekirk 9/28/2011 8:57:39 AM

@Edano this is a rockhopper link news.infoseek.co.jp
Fukushima pref made calculation mistakes for cesium. Some samples was actually 25 times bigger than the previous count.
by elainekirk 9/28/2011 9:50:39 AM

@Peter, some counter points on calcium (re pinup above). You say if the pill is 10mg we'd have to take 52 pills per day. But most calcium pills are 500mg, so there's fifty 10mg pills in one, no big deal. And the study I cited www.jstor.org found: "Both stable strontium and stable calcium increased the urinary excretion of radiostrontium." Now that was by infusion, not sure of comparable ingestion to reach the same level. But provided blood levels of calcium immediately increase strontium excretion, this method of protection doesn't seem obviously impossible.
by Ian 9/28/2011 10:10:00 AM

@Ian , point well taken. I was looking for a pill bottle comparable to the one posted for Busby's pills. The shown one seemed small for 500 mg pills. I shall ruminate it a bit more. Cheers!
by Peter 9/28/2011 10:41:23 AM

@Edano oh that stinks (the TEPCO signature clause). That is a very typical insurance company tactic to get an injured party to sign away their rights prematurely. At least in the US. I would hope the lawyers in Japan jump in before people start signing those.
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 10:47:29 AM

@lillymunster yeah :( they try it, but i guess it won't be valid.
by Edano 9/28/2011 10:51:44 AM

Ian, just after a quick glance on the abstract of the study you cite. Note that stable calcium was less effective in removing radioactive strontium than stable strontium, and the authors report that others have shown calcium to be ineffective in animals. Interestingly, the authors administered radioactive strontium to the study subjects. Though they used trace amounts, I doubt that an IRB would approve this study in our time.
by Peter 9/28/2011 10:52:44 AM

greetings to all,,@Edano, Lilly, Peter
by dean 9/28/2011 10:53:17 AM

@elainekirk damn, i knew that they covered up the contamination of fuku city ! they couldn't evacuate, so they betrayed. damn !
by Edano 9/28/2011 10:53:56 AM

@Edano does that clause not have legal standing, as in they won't be able to invoke it if someone signs it?
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 10:57:10 AM

DR. Akira Tokuhiro University of Idaho
Lessons Learned 6+ Months after the Earthquake, Tsunami and Fukushima
Nuclear Plant Accident
Akira Tokuhiro is Professor of Mechanical and Nuclear Engineering at the University of Idaho. Dr. Tokuhiro has a Ph.D. in Nuclear Engineering(Purdue), MS in Mechanical Engineering (U. Rochester), B.S.E. in Engineering-Physics (Purdue) and 10 years of international experience in advanced reactor R&D (Paul Scherrer Institute and Japan Atomic Energy Agency).
by dean 9/28/2011 10:57:32 AM

@all.. I am attending this presentation this morning and will take notes... does anyone have any specific question (s)
by dean 9/28/2011 10:58:06 AM

@lillymunster yes, i assume that.
by Edano 9/28/2011 10:58:43 AM

@dean I would love to know his thoughts on unit 3's explosion, not sure how to form an intelligent specific question on it...need more coffee...
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 11:00:17 AM

@lilly I have it written down
by dean 9/28/2011 11:00:59 AM

Earthquake and tsunami escape pod ajw.asahi.com
by lillymunster 9/28/2011 11:02:37 AM

@Peter @Ian strontium pills will have no effect because the oral bioavailability is very low. strontium is hardly absorbed in the intestinum, probably because of its size. you would have to do infusions.
by Edano 9/28/2011 11:08:27 AM