
@dean right so there is a sump of sorts where the water actually gets pumped from and that would be behind the big screens they use to block fish etc. from getting into the pumps?
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 2:25:01 PM

it almost looks like there is no concrete floor in there but I can't imagine that @lilly
by dean 10/25/2011 2:25:33 PM

Does that wall look lifted up from the floor to you?
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 2:25:34 PM

right, the floor almost looked like sea floor, could the tsunami have dumped that much junk into there?
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 2:26:16 PM

@lilly.. most sumps or "wet wells" are solid concrete and if it was seperated in the EQ it would show like that
by dean 10/25/2011 2:26:22 PM

So these are likely not useable without some work.
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 2:26:54 PM

@ lilly .. I think that tsumani wiped out the screens/filters and could have done just that ...
by dean 10/25/2011 2:26:59 PM

will keep an eye out for anything telling of damage to the screens. I did see a mention of oil leaking into the intake area but it sounded like it was before the screens in the small bay
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 2:28:10 PM

@lilly.. right.... they probably tried to operate the system after the motor was repaired and piping but the way they start those systems up.. they throttle the discharge valve then start the pump to get the water lifted up the multiple stages until the suction is good then then outlet pressure comes up and then they open the discharge valve to provide the flow
by dean 10/25/2011 2:28:45 PM

@ lilly.. early they were working to put in new screens on the other intakes,,, they would probably have to have been rebuilt or,, tempory ones lowered into place
by dean 10/25/2011 2:29:29 PM

the screens lower down into the intake concrete water intake and they usually slide down in cut out channels,, backed with steel corners.. then slide them in .. that way the screens can be lifted and cleaned out..
by dean 10/25/2011 2:30:31 PM

I remember seeing one photo of out where the screens are and seawater pumps that was damaged which would probably have required rebuilding
by dean 10/25/2011 2:31:02 PM

I gathered that the power supply had to be switched from below also which meant that the conduits normally feeding power were probably ruined so new temp power had to be run to the temporary pumps and then to the normal pumps
by dean 10/25/2011 2:32:18 PM

that sump is filled partly with silt, mud and debris that's why we can't see the bottom
by dean 10/25/2011 2:33:33 PM

@lilly.. I need to head to appointment,,, will return... my big test in the morning on nuc test for heart.. glad that Edano was here to lend some good words... see ya later
by dean 10/25/2011 2:35:29 PM

@dean good luck. Hubby had one done a few years ago. Said it was a pretty easy procedure. :-)
Will start compiling all this unit 5 info and put it into a peer review document
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 2:37:11 PM

ty @lilly..
by dean 10/25/2011 2:37:48 PM

@all if anyone else has finds related to this please let me know so I can add them, or if you found something/have an idea etc.
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 2:38:52 PM

Translation of bits of the interview with the local claiming 5 and 6 are having problems. He makes a bunch of pretty serious claims.
fukushima-diary.comby lillymunster 10/25/2011 3:38:29 PM

Notes on Unit 5 can be found here
wp.meby lillymunster 10/25/2011 4:09:26 PM

Cyber attack stole Mitsubishi nuke plant data
www.asahi.comby lillymunster 10/25/2011 5:20:39 PM

Fukushima: Die unsichtbare Gefahr german tv special from today
www.zdf.de tokyo officials tell inhabitants that they are not responsible for radiation on privat ground
by Edano 10/25/2011 5:23:23 PM

Retailers displaying radiation level on produce
ajw.asahi.comby lillymunster 10/25/2011 5:24:03 PM

german tv about tokyo hotspots:
www.zdf.deby Edano 10/25/2011 5:27:30 PM

@Ian sheesh. One would think he would be willing to do soil sampling if he was actually curious about what is going on.
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 5:27:47 PM

Radiation research suggested as way to keep released livestock near nuclear plant alive
mdn.mainichi.jpby lillymunster 10/25/2011 5:30:34 PM

by Edano 10/25/2011 5:35:05 PM


www.jma.go.jp
Tuesday October 25 2011, 17:08:52 UTC 37 minutes ago eastern Honshu, Japan 5.2 16.0
Tuesday October 25 2011, 17:08:50 UTC 37 minutes ago Eastern Honshu, Japan 5.3 5.0
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India anti-nuclear groups grow and make progress
insideclimatenews.orgby lillymunster 10/25/2011 6:07:27 PM


english.kyodonews.jp
TEPCO accident operation manuals with, without blackouts
Combination photo shows copies of a page which is mostly blacked out (L) and the same page without being blacked out (R) from Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s accident operation manuals for the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, which was crippled by the March 11, 2011, earthquake and tsunami. The governmental Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency publicized on Oct. 24, 2011, part of the manuals with few blacked-out parts, which TEPCO submitted at the agency's request, which was made after the utility submitted mostly blacked-out versions to parliament in September 2011 and drew public criticism. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp


english.kyodonews.jp
German president visits Fukushima
German President Christian Wulff (C front) visits an area hit by the March 11th tsunami in the city of Iwaki in Fukushima Prefecture on Oct. 25, 2011. The president visited the prefecture to encourage local people struggling in the aftermath of the devastating March earthquake and tsunami and ensuing nuclear disaster. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp

Nuclear accident could raise power cost by 1 yenJapan's Atomic Energy Commission says a nuclear accident could raise the cost of power generation by up to 1 yen per kilowatt-hour, but the total cost would still be lower than other forms of power generation.
The commission released on Tuesday new estimates on the cost of nuclear power generation calculated by a research panel set up in the wake of the Fukushima Daiichi accident.
The estimates cover the costs that would stem from a serious nuclear accident and include outlays for evacuation, compensation and decommissioning of reactors.
But the panel says spending for cleaning radiation-contaminated areas and the long-term storage of radioactive debris was not included.
Based on the Fukushima crisis, the panel says the damage cost of a future nuclear plant accident will be more than 3.8 billion yen, or about 51 billion dollars.
This could raise the cost of power generation by up to 1 yen, or about 1.3 cents, per kilowatt-hour.
The report concludes that nuclear power generation costs can be calculated as from 6 to 7 yen, or about 8 to 9 cents, per kilowatt hour, and that this is still cheaper than other sources of energy.
But one member of the panel insisted that the damage cost estimates are too low, and that total losses would be about 12 times higher if decontamination spending is included. But the panel did not adopt his calculation.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 19:01 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp by Edano 10/25/2011 6:31:17 PM

unbelievable !
by Edano 10/25/2011 6:32:21 PM

even 20 nuclear accidents fuku style in all corners of japan would only cost 20 yen per kwh. that's cheap, let's go on.
by Edano 10/25/2011 6:35:22 PM

wow, now i am a nuke fan.
by Edano 10/25/2011 6:36:27 PM

@Edano :-)
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 6:46:03 PM

@lillymunster imagine what these bastards say. they just escaped a tokyo evacuation. imagine. 40 mio evacuated and compensated. are they crazy ?
by Edano 10/25/2011 6:54:26 PM

but maybe that is how they calculate evac zones. they stop when they reach 1 yen per kwh.
by Edano 10/25/2011 6:56:25 PM

@Edano ::facepalm::
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 7:00:16 PM

There was a local area somewhere, they estimated $6 a month extra to not have nuclear power. Sounds like some cheap insurance to me. I would pay it
by lillymunster 10/25/2011 7:01:13 PM

by Edano 10/25/2011 7:04:47 PM

don't read that:
Could 'Chernobyl’ scaremongers cost our nuclear future? www.telegraph.co.ukby Edano 10/25/2011 7:08:25 PM

"The excessive stockpiling of fuel rods at Fukushima only arose because pressure from anti-nuclear groups has made the safe dispersal of nuclear waste so difficult."
www.telegraph.co.ukby Edano 10/25/2011 7:09:31 PM