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The annual "nuclear location benefits" received a certificate of withdrawal Did transfer. Amounts paid 4056 yen per household Iwaki unchanged before the accident ... and sent a written explanation of why that money is paid only for what is transferred without any deed. I somehow ... (-_-;)
by elainekirk via Twitpic 10/26/2011 11:07:10 AM

Tokai No. 2 plant reports radioactive water leakage mdn.mainichi.jp
there was no fuel in rpv, according to that.
by Edano 10/26/2011 11:10:35 AM

@Edano knowing what to believe is ...
by elainekirk 10/26/2011 11:13:00 AM

religion ?
by Edano 10/26/2011 11:14:54 AM

@Edano :)
by elainekirk 10/26/2011 11:18:38 AM

New Study Links Teen Violence To Soda Drinking
oh boy .... so what is my son supposed to drink ?
by Edano 10/26/2011 11:32:57 AM

Morning! (afternoon-evening)
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 11:56:13 AM

@lillymunster @Edano morning lilly @edano it is all a load of unqualified claptrap
by elainekirk 10/26/2011 12:07:33 PM

@elainekirk you all were very busy this morning. Will start putting together articles after I get everyone out the door. The money amounts on reprocessing vs. storing old fuel is interesting. How anyone can justify that... That check you posted is the 4000 yen supposed to be some sort of compensation installment?
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 12:10:22 PM

@lillymunster have you read that 4 screwdriver workers took an accidental shower from tokai rpv but were not exposed to radiation ?
by Edano 10/26/2011 12:11:06 PM

@Edano I saw the leak, didn't read it yet - will go look. I so wish someone would start calling people when they try to peddle such nonsense that nobody gets exposed. Like Jaczko claiming nobody has died from fuku radiation.
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 12:15:26 PM

the Royal Society have made all their archives freely available so the scientific history of so much is there for the taking royalsocietypublishing.org
for example-
H. C. Webster
The Artificial Production of Nuclear $ \gamma $-Radiation
Proc. R. Soc. Lond. A May 2, 1932 136:428-453; doi:10.1098/rspa.1932 rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org
by elainekirk 10/26/2011 12:20:02 PM

www.businessweek.com
Fla. customers will pay $282M for nuclear upgrades
Customers of Florida's two largest electric utilities will pay $282 million next year to upgrade nuclear power plants and build new ones even if those projects are never completed.

State regulators on Monday turned aside objections from some consumers and their advocates who argued that policy is unfair.
by elainekirk 10/26/2011 12:24:23 PM

@elainekirk how much is that in yen per kwh ? :)
by Edano 10/26/2011 12:26:42 PM

@elainekirk I have been trying to figure out how they can force residents to pre-pay for a private sector project that might not happen. That sounds like investing or business speculation and shouldn't be forced upon the public.

We were forced to prepay for the new water system they built here to bring water from the Missouri River and it angered lots of people but at least it is a public project and "we" own it.
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 12:35:11 PM

@elainekirk @lillymunster i don't know if you have noticed the video i posted yesterday because it was only in german. it showed how fukushima (correction: tokyo) residents urged officials to decontaminate their houses and their response was that the municipality is not responsible for cleaning private property.
by Edano 10/26/2011 12:40:17 PM

@Edano I saw you mentioned that. Did it mention where these people were in Fuku and was it the city or the prefecture that told them this?
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 12:53:11 PM

@Edano I missed that must run now but will look later
by elainekirk 10/26/2011 12:59:39 PM

@lillymunster i checked it. it was not fukushima, it was tokyo, Katsushika district officials. the people are from a local initiative.
by Edano 10/26/2011 12:59:41 PM

okay that makes a difference.
by Edano 10/26/2011 1:02:58 PM

@Edano still. The govt needs to be dealing with this as a public safety issue. What keeps coming up in these is that TEPCO just doesn't have the financial resources to cover all the damage they created. Other countries need to pay heed to this.
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 1:07:57 PM

@lillymunster i thought about the money issue when i read about the calculations of this obscure commission. it cannot cost that much if it only equals 1 yen per kwh. there is a strange contradiction.
by Edano 10/26/2011 1:10:29 PM

i mean, tepco has still customers and steady monthly incomes, and these must be immense.
by Edano 10/26/2011 1:14:08 PM

@Edano right and TEPCO has said they want to increase rates to cover costs. They had a commission investigate TEPCO's assets so they couldn't hide money and would make them start to sell off non-critical assets. I get the impression TEPCO doesn't want to sell off assets. As they hit that point they are cutting costs at the disaster site and whining about money. They should not be allowed to still be on the stock market, they are more worried about keeping the business going than meeting their obligation. The entire mess should be put into government recievership.
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 1:24:13 PM

The Fukushima nuclear accident dispersed airborne dusts that are contaminated with radioactive particles. When inhaled or ingested, these particles can have negative effects on human health that are different from those caused by exposure to external or uniform radiation fields. A field sampling effort was undertaken to characterize the form and concentration of radionuclides in the air and in environmental media which can accumulate fallout. Samples included settled dusts, surface wipes, used filter masks, used air filters, dusty footwear, and surface soils. Particles were collected from used motor vehicle air filters and standard 0.45 micron membrane air filters. Soils and settled dusts were collected from outdoor surfaces, interior surfaces, and from used children's shoes. The Japanese filters contained cesium 134 and 137, as well as cobalt 60 at levels as high as 3 nCi total activity per sample. Materials collected during April 2011 from Japan also contained Iodine 131. This short-lived nuclide was not observed in later samples. US air filter and dusts samples did not contain hot particles, except for air samples collected from Seattle, WA during the month of April 2011. The samples of Japanese children's shoes were found to have relatively high radiocesium contamination levels. Isolated US soil samples contained up to 8 nanoCuries per Kg of radiocesium, while control samples showed no detectable radiocesium. Dusts containing radioactive cesium were found at levels orders of magnitude above background more than 100 miles from the accident site, and were detectable on the US west coast.
by Ian 10/26/2011 1:33:31 PM

apha.confex.com
by Ian 10/26/2011 1:33:46 PM

@lillymunster agreed 100%.
by Edano 10/26/2011 1:36:36 PM

@Ian Perfect timing, just getting ready to compile all the articles & papers from last night about the radiation release levels. :-)
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 1:40:57 PM

@lillymunster, that study was by Marco Kaltofen, who Maggie Gundersen interviewed vimeo.com
by Ian 10/26/2011 1:42:45 PM

@Ian starting to see things come together on all of this. I hope non-government sector can put together a clear picture of what happened in the US.
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 1:44:45 PM

ooooh, there is a glitch on this site. if you click on the white field where comments in moderation appear, you will hear busby's voice. it is like a ghost. :) there is a video hidden. :) took me some time to detect the origin of the voice.
by Edano 10/26/2011 1:45:46 PM

@Edano weird. Every once in a while a video will get posted and it will try to autoplay so loading the page will cause the "mystery voice".
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 1:49:41 PM

@lillymunster, Kaltofen also runs Boston Chemical Data Corp, which Gundersen's recommends for people with potentially radioactive samples. www.labs.pro Sample collection and shipping instructions : www.naticklabs.org
by Ian 10/26/2011 2:14:24 PM

75 miles outside Tokyo. Oct 26. 2011 Tokai No 2 Plant Reports Radioactive Water Leakage-Kyodo www.foxbusiness.com
by MaryW 10/26/2011 2:25:21 PM

Edano, you mentioned yesterday about the Xenon levels being out of line with the other isotopes. Was there any data to go with that so I can add it to the article on the radiation releases?
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 2:49:18 PM

Watching the video Ian posted earlier. The Scientific American article from yesterday and the project mentioned in the Gundersen video, neither incorporates all the sea releases of radiation. So the SA study showing the releases to be much worse don't have the sea contamination added in.
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 3:31:49 PM

@lillymunster it is something i have in my head. the xenon release in fuku was higher than that in chernobyl. xenon results of iodine decay so there is a mystery of missing iodine. since most of the emissions went out to the sea, it is quite easy to cover up the emissions and nobody can prove it. in chernobyl, until today you can estimate the release by the still existing nuclides, in fuku you cannot do this.

btw i am a subscriber of the german scientific american and this article was published some weeks ago in the magazine, but it was much longer. i cannot post it because it is copyrighted. maybe the xenon mystery in my head stems from that article.

i will go googling more info on this.
by Edano 10/26/2011 4:14:02 PM

@lillymunster @you ah, i just see that you made the same conclusion :)
by Edano 10/26/2011 4:20:31 PM

this is a different article, but free access:
Fukushima auch in Deutschland? www.spektrum.de
full article: www.wissenschaft-online.de
by Edano 10/26/2011 4:34:45 PM

@Edano Does the Xenon happen in a 1 for 1 fashion? I am assuming so if it is a daughter product? So the amount of Xenon would it be in direct correlation to the iodine amount? This doesn't indicate the half life of xenon 133 I am assuming that is the one in question? en.wikipedia.org
by lillymunster 10/26/2011 4:36:09 PM

@lillymunster i have to check that first. i had a nice illustration on this ... going to search it ...
by Edano 10/26/2011 4:38:14 PM

@lillymunster the isotopes in question are j131 and xe133. it seems they do not directly decay from each other, but they all stem from u235 and plutonium decay.
by Edano 10/26/2011 4:50:59 PM