
out to the forest play the minis. :)
by Edano 10/29/2011 12:27:43 PM

"the big forest where the animals live" :)
by Edano 10/29/2011 12:28:17 PM

he wild forest
by dean 10/29/2011 12:30:15 PM

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by dean 10/29/2011 12:30:19 PM

Morning! (afternoon-evening)
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 12:58:20 PM

Reading morning news here. They have a 70% unemployment rate among those who had to evacuate, with those who can't work excluded. Why is the government not hiring some of these people as PAID cleanup crews rather than volunteers?
The new hot spot in Setagaya, how can NHK say it isn't FUKU when they don't know the source. It is starting to sound like the standard excuse.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:05:42 PM

@Edano if your still around, I found the rough area of the control rooms, 2nd floor in that bridge building. This is about level with the bottom area of the RPV and the floor level where the containment bulb starts. There are a number of heat exchangers on that level of the reactor building.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:07:34 PM

@Peter I don't know if Lipitor has gone generic yet, Zocor (simvastatin) has but I don't know if the two are interchangeable drugs.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:09:26 PM

Could the high rads in the control room be caused by building cracks rather than corium proximity? If some of the recent shaking failed an already damaged area and created a new open crack in the buildings it could be allowing radioactive steam etc to vent up into the control room.
There was mention of doors that seal to contain the control room air system. The door on one of the control rooms was bent - this led to the two workers who stayed on during the worst to get exposed when they tried to eat.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:13:34 PM

@Peter they are supposedly sealed and appear to have their own air system, there is a venting system of some sort next to the doors that can be seen in the Cryptome images from last night. It doesn't seem to be very effective in practice though since the blasts foiled at least one door an as you said, when the meltdowns started the rad levels spiked in those rooms. They do have a distant central control room but I can't remember the exact location.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:19:57 PM

@Peter I am speaking of the reactor control rooms next to the reactor itself. There is the central control room and also the EQ proof building. I am not sure if the EQ proof building has any control access or not?
Most of the pre-quake photos show the combined 1-2 and 3-4 control rooms where there is a visual division between each reactor side of the room by it being a mirror of the other.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:20:55 PM

@Peter hmm so exactly what does that mean? The "2" side of the main control room? The unit 2 control room? Something else? There may be some hints hidden among the pre-disaster routine documents from TEPCO about the exact control room set up. What I wonder is how they relay the reactor data to the remote main control room? Is it repeated from the reactor control room on as some sort of data signal? Is there a direct connection split off from the sensor?
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:37:29 PM

@Peter SO NPS must be the quake proof building they have been using as command center on site. Main Control room is another building and the quake proof NPS does not have any data connections to the reactors. What has probably added to the complexity of all this is building the reactors one after the other rather than a bank of multiple units all at once.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:51:29 PM

@all - I must run. I have a pack of teenage girls coming over to our house for a sleep over - must go clean.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 1:52:01 PM

@Peter taking a break for a bit, reading those notes. I may try to make some sort of graphic to show all of these and the systems as explained in these reports. It seems like there are some major flaws in these redundant systems.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 2:55:32 PM

@Peter the US 4 hour battery supply, yea the US is just as unprepared. Another thing I noticed is that the Japanese emergency response system and their offsite command center relied heavily on having functioning telecom and power with no back up system. The generators were not quake resistant and were damaged. Telecom doesn't work without power and wired telecom can easily go down or be overloaded in an emergency. They had no radio or satellite system. I don't think any US nuclear facility has an offsite emergency center like Japan did. These issues discussed yesterday and today about control rooms, power, other fallback command centers etc. show the huge flaws in these plans. This isn't unique to a country either.
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 3:14:21 PM

out for a while, need to run to town
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 3:18:52 PM


www.tepco.co.jp
details of how their 200ft crane collapsed www.tepco.co.jp

it is quite impossible to establish a complete fail proof telecom, but you can build redundant systems. which might not help in multi emergencies like in fuku.
by Edano 10/29/2011 4:30:05 PM

though a long wave radio with independent batteries should be standard.
by Edano 10/29/2011 4:32:43 PM

Excessive cesium detected in greenhouse-grown mushrooms in FukushimaFUKUSHIMA, Oct. 29, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp by Edano 10/29/2011 4:35:12 PM

it is strange that tepco does not mention the control room problems.
by Edano 10/29/2011 4:38:42 PM

our finance minister miscalculated germany's debts: they are € 55.5 billions less. hmmm....
news.ninemsn.com.au on monday i will go recalculate mine.
by Edano 10/29/2011 4:40:56 PM

Hi had a thought while stuck in traffic. The torus is underground under where the control rooms are. The reactor is offset in th e bldg. So something in the wetwell is possibly the issue with the control room rads in 3 and wasn't there a 5 quake the other day?
by lillymunster 10/29/2011 4:44:32 PM

@lillymunster no bigger quake on 27 or 28 oct.
www.jma.go.jp but 26 was a 5.0 near fuku. the first high rad reading is from 10/28 11:00 , very abrupt.
www.tepco.co.jp last column.
by Edano 10/29/2011 4:49:07 PM

and no change in torus or drywell pressure.
by Edano 10/29/2011 4:52:19 PM

this is more comprehensive than the csv file:
www.tepco.co.jpby Edano 10/29/2011 4:58:59 PM

@Peter will have a look peter
by elainekirk 10/29/2011 5:08:57 PM

@Peter your condensate tanks will try get better placement drawings but these got each unit
www.tepco.co.jpand
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk 10/29/2011 5:11:43 PM


were these buildings being discussed re control room? www.tepco.co.jp
further text in the doc identify C/B as the control building
by elainekirk 10/29/2011 5:26:03 PM