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  • On the first video that I posted here. What would be an opening in containment to sunlight. There is something with light shining from far away and it isn't the access tube.
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 4:45:39 PM

  • @lillymunster , this could be high ionizing radiation-related white out dean mentioned yesterday.
    by Peter 1/20/2012 4:47:17 PM

  • ...our first glimpse of the corium, perhaps.
    by Peter 1/20/2012 4:58:29 PM

  • @Peter, this what I suspected, that the rain is cooling spray.
    @lillymunster, is the shinning light in the video?
    by Ian 1/20/2012 5:00:33 PM

  • There are some times the camera whites out. This one that looks like daylight is far away from the camera and doesn't wash out the picture.
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 5:00:35 PM

  • @Ian yes, towards the latter portions of the video something that looks like a distant source of light from a specific location.
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 5:01:14 PM

  • Here are all the video stills from the first video. I think you can get a larger version by clicking on the image itself. I have to be out of the office for a few hours but will go though the other 3 videos and make stills when I return.

    www.simplyinfo.org
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 5:12:29 PM

  • @lillymunster , @lillymunster , you mean the white speck that looks like a crack at 8:12?
    by Peter 1/20/2012 5:30:28 PM

  • @lillymunster At 7:53-7:54? looks like a hole?
    by M.I.A. 1/20/2012 5:45:45 PM

  • 7:35, 7:53 8:03 8:09 you can also see what looks like light in the upper right of the video frame from 8:09 to the end after the light source is out of the main image frame
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 5:54:08 PM

  • @lillymunster , difficult to say. It could be reflections of the camera light source from a distant wet black surface.
    by Peter 1/20/2012 6:03:27 PM

  • @lillymunster, maybe it's the reflection on a wet surface of the light from the scope?
    by Ian 1/20/2012 6:07:58 PM

  • It is possible to be a reflection. If it is a reflection it would need to be fairly smooth and highly reflective by nature or as mentioned wet.
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 6:12:47 PM

  • well done :)

    by Edano 1/20/2012 6:42:14 PM

  • @lillymunster scribble makes automatic log out now :(
    by Edano 1/20/2012 6:44:22 PM

  • We're heading toward a month after it was reported that the sick seals are being tested for radiation. They did say it'd take "several weeks" news.yahoo.com for the results. Wonder why it takes so long. A gamma-scintillator could identify isotopes in a few minutes.
    by Ian 1/20/2012 8:11:58 PM

  • All, the existence of an ex-vessel spray system (as we confirmed below) might by itself answer the question: How would there be water pooled in the dry well below the bottom of the RPV for dropping corium to strike and trigger an ex-vessel steam explosion?
    by Ian 1/20/2012 8:57:16 PM

  • @Ian They have to freeze dry the samples and pulverize them before they could test them
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:02:49 PM

  • @lillymunster, good point. Though it takes a few hours to freeze dry meat.
    by Ian 1/20/2012 9:05:50 PM

  • @Ian might be worth poking around at the offices handling this for results. let them know people didnt forget
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:12:51 PM

  • did anyone look at this posted earlier, it seems to say 1-131 is showing up in snowfall. ameblo.jp
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:14:58 PM

  • @Ian , lilly, the method of gamma scintillation counting does not require freeze dried samples. You might do this for preservation perhaps. But it would have been sufficient to extract some tissue samples and just refrigerate or deep freeze them to prevent decomposition.
    by Peter 1/20/2012 9:19:06 PM

  • @Ian Regarding the radio-isotopes analysis, that is incorrect. Thorough scientific analysis of radioactive isotopes in soil, liquids, plants or animal tissue can take from weeks to several months. Detecting radioactivity is quick, but scientific isotope analysis is a hard and laborious work. Also, there are not that many facilities around the world with the right equipment to perform such analysis. There are only a few and I would guess, after the WHOI Fukushima Expedition, most of them have over a year worth of samples to process and analyse. They have to squeeze those seal tissue samples in between.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/20/2012 9:19:33 PM

  • A lab in Alaska was going to do the work. If they do need to do certain tests it could take longer. Giving the public an estimated completion date shouldn't be an issue.
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:24:41 PM

  • @Ian , as to the dry well sprayers, I cannot recall a single tepco entry that these were used.
    by Peter 1/20/2012 9:24:53 PM

  • @lillymunster , perhaps they mean to lyophilize tissue to increase the radioactivity content above the detectible concentration. Lyophilization takes time.
    by Peter 1/20/2012 9:32:44 PM

  • @Peter never heard of that before
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:35:33 PM

  • I looked at the elevation drawing of unit 1. It didn't show anything specifically marked at sprayers but there are some unmarked items in that general area. Nothing about the markings indicate what they are, just boxes with an x through them
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:38:00 PM

  • I have the videos on our youtube account, posting the remaining three now
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:48:39 PM

  • by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:48:42 PM

  • by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:50:01 PM

  • The unit 4 video failed for being too long. Does anyone know what would be the best tool to chop it into 2 videos? I have Flash, Windows Movie Maker and can probably get other software as needed.
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:51:11 PM

  • Some input about snow near the reactors from someone on the ground:

    On Jan 21st and 22nd it seems to be snowing in Japan but there are still radioactive materials in air. The Japanese government said it stopped spreading radioactive materials because it is cold but I think it is a lie.

    It sounds like there isn't a big build up of snow in Fukushima down by the plants. Up in the mountains by the ski resorts seems to have more
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 9:57:35 PM

  • @lillymunster , lyophilization is a freeze-drying process used by protein biochemists, for example, that extracts all water from the tissue until only a white powder is left. en.wikipedia.org
    by Peter 1/20/2012 9:59:05 PM

  • @Peter they were using muscle samples. So sounds like this may be the process?
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 10:04:07 PM

  • @lillymunster , you would first homogenize the muscle tissue, lyophilize the homogenate into fluff and then perhaps reconstitute the fluff in small volumes of water or buffer in counting vials.
    by Peter 1/20/2012 10:12:15 PM

  • back in a few
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 10:15:54 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus, there are folks doing isotopic analysis on youtube, takes a few minutes.
    by Ian 1/20/2012 10:42:30 PM

  • Couple examples (soil from Japan) www.youtube.com (rain water from Virginia www.youtube.com
    by Ian 1/20/2012 11:16:47 PM

  • @Ian I bet you won't see any of those folks writing peer-reviewed science papers using that data. You can't possibly analyse a sample as to it's radio-isotope contamination in minutes. And analysing one sample is of no use, scientifically speaking. You need analyse many samples from the same source and then make a statistical analysis of the whole data to get a useful result. Trust me it takes a long time. Not minutes and not hours. Preparing the samples alone takes a long time. I wouldn't trust those home made videos, if that's what they are. Some information here: www.whoi.edu
    by Pedro Jesus 1/20/2012 11:36:08 PM

  • NHKWorld reports First video clip of reactor interior released
    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has released a video clip taken inside the damaged No.2 reactor for the first time since the accident last year.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company recorded 30 minutes of video by running an optical fiber scope, known as an endoscope, through a hole into the reactor's containment vessel Thursday.

    The company released an edited version of the video lasting about one minute on Friday. The footage begins inside the aperture leading to the containment vessel, and as the endoscope reaches the interior, white dots caused by gamma rays immediately appear.

    Walls and several pipes are also visible, although most of the images are blurry.

    TEPCO says white lines seen in the clip are actually condensed vapor from contaminated water falling like rain.

    One of the reasons for shooting the video was to determine the depth of water that has collected on the bottom of the vessel.

    TEPCO says the water is less than 4 meters deep. The company was able to make this determination because a foothold located at that height is visible on the video.
    Friday, January 20, 2012 13:23 +0900 (JST) www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Peter 1/20/2012 11:39:40 PM

  • @Peter so it is at least below the catwalk
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 11:43:33 PM

  • @lillymunster , of course, and the way tepco phrases the message no water in the drywell is not excluded either.
    by Peter 1/20/2012 11:52:20 PM

  • @Peter yep in perfect legal-eze
    by lillymunster 1/20/2012 11:55:18 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus, one of those flunkies is a professional scientist who used the gamma-spec at her lab. You're just wrong here. It;s taking them time for some reason, but not because it takes weeks to get a measurement.
    by Ian 1/21/2012 12:04:31 AM

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