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  • @borrrden Thanks for the clarification.
    by Sinthia Domina 4/12/2011 9:37:30 AM

  • But the marches are new. www.japanprobe.com
    by Ralph Unger 4/12/2011 9:38:13 AM

  • @elainekirk albelle put a temporary post from borrrden with the reservation dates up above, if you see nancy - matrat (ithink) the ones working on pic and drawings.... those dates should be the dates that changes were made to the drawing... don't know what changed, but some are resent... it may be helpful to some of the conversation they are having... borrrden translated for us
    by fitter 4/12/2011 9:42:46 AM

  • @elainekirk forgot-- the information goes to the mecahnicl drawing for reator building #1 thanks
    by fitter 4/12/2011 9:43:44 AM

  • Nation's unpreparedness ahead of disaster is blasted. "I've heard the government and Tokyo Electric Power Co. say they couldn't predict the tsunami would reach that high, but that is ridiculous," Morimoto said, noting any history book would have set them straight." search.japantimes.co.jp
    by Ralph Unger 4/12/2011 9:43:47 AM

  • TEPCO tardy on N-plant emergency
    www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by ifz edited by elainekirk 4/12/2011 10:07:55 AM

  • Is this the Japanese saying that they are not going to release data except sea spillage/leaks?? I think they risk allienating people and that could lead to people boycotting their products surely this is an own goal?? www.telegraph.co.uk Yukio Edano, Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary, told reporters during a news conference that Tokyo would be doing their best to provide up-to-date information on these issues to other nations.He said: "Our government will try to give as much detail as early as possible on maritime issues which are of high interest to neighbouring countries and overseas nations."
    by elainekirk 4/12/2011 10:13:46 AM

  • @elainekirk The other countries have been clammering for information about seawater levels, so he syas he wants to give it to them.
    by borrrden 4/12/2011 10:16:18 AM

  • Especially Russia is interested
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 10:17:52 AM

  • Offficial it as now lvl 7 www.jaif.or.jp
    by Ralph Unger 4/12/2011 10:18:00 AM

  • @itz that article is great have you added it to static?
    by elainekirk 4/12/2011 10:18:21 AM

  • @Ralp: another link about UE (in french) www.lepost.fr
    by Olivier 4/12/2011 10:19:40 AM

  • @borrden I do hope it is that. @all I must go now I will see you all in a couple of hours :)
    by elainekirk 4/12/2011 10:19:48 AM

  • It counts as an emergency? in the EU? What a joke.
    by Ralph Unger 4/12/2011 10:21:34 AM

  • @ifz Something bothers me on that article.mainly the NO POWER, the no phone and no fax and no internet issue as we were told, so the plant had no communication especially not videophone ??
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 10:23:21 AM

  • During the BP disaster, i lost all my connections to people there, due to "bandwidth issues"
    by Ralph Unger 4/12/2011 10:26:33 AM

  • Well, if the article stands up to truh, than TEPCO and Govt. lied flat out.....i remeber this very specifically....no communication was possible..
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 10:29:42 AM

  • But we can get a webcam?
    by Ralph Unger 4/12/2011 10:30:30 AM

  • No news, but good news?
    by Ralph Unger 4/12/2011 10:34:42 AM

  • @Ralph Unger: Regarding the "secret increase of allowed radioactivity level in imported food". I have just read both Polish and English version of the aforementioned document and there is no reference to any increased levels (or I am unable to trace it). Quite the contrary, is implies that the food from numerous prefectures affected Fukushima disaster is due to a more STRICT control. Original text in English: eur-lex.europa.eu
    by Bartek 4/12/2011 10:41:34 AM

  • @Ralph Unger, @Olivier: excerpt from the regulation "(..) foodstuffs not in compliance with the maximum permitted levels referred to in the Annex of Regulation (Euratom) No 3954/87, Regulation (Euratom) No 944/89 and Regulation (Euratom) No 770/90 shall not be placed on the market safely disposed of or returned to the country of origin.(..)"
    by Bartek 4/12/2011 10:41:39 AM

  • If I understand this translation correctly, German TV reports that a leaked memo from Areva says significant amounts of plutonium was probably released.: www.wdr.de
    by Yuri 4/12/2011 10:41:45 AM

  • Fairewinds also has had a copy of the areva report for a few days now, but haven't released their analysis of it yet....
    by borrrden 4/12/2011 10:44:58 AM

  • @Bartek I also found it strange that I couldn't find a reference
    by borrrden 4/12/2011 10:45:33 AM

  • NEWS ADVISORY: Minute amount of strontium found outside 30km from Fukushima plant: ministry
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by cul 4/12/2011 11:01:03 AM

  • @Bartek: the text (in french or in english) is clear. It is the 3954/87 944/89 and 770/90 regulations for the maximum permitted levels. These levels are higher than for normal situation.
    by Olivier 4/12/2011 11:01:11 AM

  • @Rob Thomas email me and use the other blog to post that. ty.
    by George Gibb 4/12/2011 11:03:10 AM

  • UE regulations: 944/89 ec.europa.eu 3954/87 ec.europa.eu 770/90 ec.europa.eu and now look at the normal levels from 2008 733/2008 eur-lex.europa.eu
    by Olivier 4/12/2011 11:12:49 AM

  • Ralph, Olivier - thank you very much. Haven't noticed that the referenced regulation are to be used in emergency situation rather than normal. Also I was mislead by the original dates which date back to the 90's or earlier. Thanks for pointing it out. Any other document stating when the emergency situation turns back into the normal one (e.g. limits)?
    by Bartek 4/12/2011 11:23:43 AM

  • @Yuri That Report is a BOMBSHELL..calling them out !!
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 11:29:15 AM

  • by Majjham Zazen 4/12/2011 11:33:33 AM

  • Google Translate
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    German to English translation
    Sonia Seymour Trend:... "After today's earthquake in Japan it was called in first reports that nuclear power plants by Fukushima had taken no new injury, there was no new divergent values ​​all under control It's already the message of the operator you talk about working pumps have sealed cracks on small successes. The really important information is withheld. internal documents, the meltdown is underway, and the outdoors. In cooling ponds. A hazard that is displaced also with us for years. "
    The headquarters of AREVA Rights: WDR enlarge image

    The headquarters of AREVA

    Paris - the headquarters of AREVA. AREVA - that is the world's largest provider of nuclear technology. The catastrophe of Fukushima was a major setback for the business. AREVA is also a close business partner of TEPCO, which operates from Fukushima. AREVA-safety experts on site, now advising the Japanese government and TEPCO. From the outside the group tried to calm her. Fukushima was not nearly as bad as Chernobyl. Internally, AREVA is called a - quote: "disaster". In a report by the end of the disaster will be analyzed meticulously. The paper is available MONITOR. Author of the study: the reactor physicist Matthias Braun. The paper is not rumgeredet drum: There were core melt at temperatures of up to 2,700 ° C, in reactor. From Japan we hear reports of success recently. At last they had succeeded in concluding a leak with liquid glass. But the real threat does not talk TEPCO. And is particularly in Block 4 Not the reactor core is the problem here, namely, who was at the time of the disaster outsourced in cooling ponds. There is nothing in the main danger: Because the tank is full or with others, spent fuel, together 1331 pieces. Burned down, it sounds harmless, but it means that there is very much in the fuel, highly radioactive plutonium and cesium. And the cooling pond was massively damaged by an explosion. Without cooling, melt the fuel rods and radioactive fission products are released. This is what usually from a cooling pond. The hot fuel rods stored for cooling densely packed, at least 5 feet deep under water. With a large crane, the fuel rods are transported back and forth. And this is the cooling pond of Unit 4 from now. The green crane fell into the pool, debris everywhere, it smokes. The meltdown in the open air has already begun, says Arnold Gundersen. The nuclear engineer who worked for decades in a senior position in the nuclear industry.
    Arnold Gundersen, nuclear engineer Rights: WDR enlarge image

    Arnold Gundersen, nuclear engineer

    Arnold Gundersen, nuclear engineer (translation MONITOR): "There is no water here to the left of the bridge we can see the boxes in which the fuel rods are in, as should be five meters of water over it, but there is no water..."

    What consequences can have that paper clearly describes the AREVA.

    - "Core melt on fresh air"

    - That meltdown in the open air

    - "Nearly no retention of fission products" - the fission products can be almost freely propagate

    - "Large release" - large amounts are released

    Meltdown in the open. We would have liked to the security experts interviewed by the Braun company AREVA. But could not. The justification of AREVA to the press: The study was not intended for the public. Meltdown in the open air in a cooling pond destroyed. The AREVA scenario is obviously a reality. And therefore urge the Nuclear Regulatory U.S. and Japan, and the International Atomic Energy Agency IAEA to expand the evacuation zone. The independent nuclear expert Mycle Schneider advises governments and institutions, he was an expert on several occasions in Japan.
    Mycle Schneider, Policy Advisor for Atomic Rights: WDR enlarge image

    Mycle Schneider, Policy Advisor for Nuclear Energy

    Mycle Schneider, policy advisor for atomic energy: "You do it this way imagine that you have are of the order of two reactor ... complete reactor cores under the open sky, which are not cooled, the reason for this catastrophic situation exists is that. is obviously not in a position to cool said fuel and all tests now used water cannons, and fire-fighting vehicles are basically a drop in the bucket. "

    There is no repository. It has therefore been in Fukushima packed more and more fuel in the spent fuel - a cost-effective interim storage for nuclear waste. This has increased the risk of potential massive.

    Mycle Schneider, Policy Advisor for Nuclear Energy ". This has been accepted, especially for a reason, namely the economic base, it is cheaper."

    And as it is in Germany? The same image. Instead of fuel, at least relatively secure in Castor store, it's much cheaper to make them more easily in the water. Because if they continue to cool down here, you can pack more of them later in an expensive dry container. Thus, the cooling pond is the intermediate camp, to save costs. How full are the pools in Germany, confirms this confidential list of the Society of Nuclear Safety. There, is that only nuclear power plant Isar I, the cooling pond is full to 91%. Especially with old fuel, which would have long since transported. On average, all German nuclear power plants are 83%. This has long criticized the nuclear expert Wolfgang Neumann.
    Wolfgang Neumann, nuclear physicist and expert Rights: WDR enlarge image

    Wolfgang Neumann, nuclear physicist and expert

    Wolfgang Neumann, nuclear physicist and expert: "The fuel pool are necessary to the decay of fuel, to ensure coming from the reactor core, you are not actually necessary as a temporary storage As such they are used at the moment but And if, as this function... Remove temporary storage would, one would thus of course, the risk of contamination in the environment and for reducing radiation exposure of people in the area. "

    The recognized nuclear physicist Neumann, several studies on the dangers of spent fuel. ISAR example 1 in Bavaria. Here, the cooling pond in terrorist attacks and airplane crashes is significantly less well protected than the reactor core.

    Reporter: "No difference to Fukushima in the way?"

    Wolfgang Neumann, nuclear physicist and consultant: "In the sense here is virtually no difference from my point of view because authorities and operators have already traded up to the point of negligence.."

    Mycle Schneider, policy advisor for atomic energy: "If there is one lesson from Fukushima, it's about the potential to reduce the potential hazards And the first thing to do, where you do not need audit for, you do not need stress test is. From tomorrow morning to begin and reduce the number of fuel assemblies, the amount of fuel in cooling ponds, out to dry storage!

    The disaster of Fukushima is also so great because the operator wanted to reduce costs. www.wdr.de
    by Majjham Zazen 4/12/2011 11:37:35 AM

  • love the translation! 'The real threat does not talk TEPCO' - exactly!
    by UKVal 4/12/2011 11:40:58 AM

  • Here's the April 7, 2011, AREVA report referenced below: www.fairewinds.com
    by James Ward 4/12/2011 11:43:25 AM

  • well, most of us expected all that. or not ?
    by edano 4/12/2011 11:44:32 AM

  • interesting question is: why do areva and nrc leak their "confidential" reports ? they want to reinforce their liability by dissing tepco ? seems the concrete nuke industry gets cracks.
    by edano 4/12/2011 11:50:23 AM

  • China urges Japan to release timely, precise info on nuke crisis english.kyodonews.jp Isn't a strange situation? A "communist" country urges a "democratic" country to release info... That's one of the paradox of nuclear crise...
    by Olivier 4/12/2011 11:54:28 AM

  • @Olivier LOL.that takes the cake :-)
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 11:55:02 AM

  • Is it just me, or is that Areva report overly optimistic?
    by Hank Scorpio 4/12/2011 11:56:44 AM

  • @edano It could be things that for some reason they can't directly announce but want the info out. Or they are getting stonewalled by TEPCO or GoJ and leaks are their only channel?
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 11:57:02 AM

  • @Hank Scorpio Ok, i saw the Video and the report which is for internal only is categorizing the TEPCO situation as a DISATER........the meo was written by a Head Guy in Nuclear Plants......he was not allowed to be interviewed due to the fact, that the discovered document was never intended for the public.
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 11:58:39 AM

  • @Veen Oui - I'm referencing the April 7th report James Ward posted below. Are we on the same page?
    by Hank Scorpio 4/12/2011 12:01:08 PM

  • @Hank Scorpio Oops, my bad.that wasn't clear to me in your post..carry on..
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 12:01:55 PM

  • @Hank Scorpio - I reckon it puts the most positive spin possible (bearing in mind what Areva does) on the status (and even so it is hair-raising)! Interesting that Areva doesn't rule out further radiation releases from reactor #1, and that they haven't committed themselves over the state of the SFP of #4.
    by hudebnik 4/12/2011 12:02:12 PM

  • @Nancy : do you really think they want the truth out ? no, i think areva will get in severe problems as a tepco partner sooner or later. therefore they begin to blame tepco and increase their credibility. last week siemens cancelled the areva partnership. i think the nuke industry is getting huge problems. there are spent fuel pools all over the world "on air".
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:02:21 PM

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