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  • @hudebnik - What got me was how they described the releases as mostly noble gas releases and seemed dismissive of the idea that there would be permanent exclusion zones. That flies in the face of things known for weeks.
    by Hank Scorpio 4/12/2011 12:03:09 PM

  • Maybe Areva hasn't discovered this forum yet....
    by hudebnik 4/12/2011 12:03:58 PM

  • hi all
    by Jocelyn Mayer 4/12/2011 12:06:02 PM

  • @edano A company will cut ties or distance itself if they see a partner as a liability. It would be in Areva's interest to distance themselves and point out TEPCO's flaws and their "good judgment". There can also be situations where a boss decides to hide something for a set of reasons that those doing the technical and intelligence work disagree with. Those that really know the score and implications may be motivated to get the truth out another route if the boss has their head in the sand or up a rear orifice.
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:07:47 PM

  • @hudebnik : sure they have. but maybe there are so many critical groups in the internet now, that they cannot manipulate them anymorre.
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:08:17 PM

  • @hudebnik: remember Areva has never designed or ran any BWR nuclear reactor (Areva & EDF are the same guys, originally). There were graphite-gas (at least at Chinon plant) and PWR in France, no BWR (maybe a few experimental reactors ?).
    Maybe that's why they only talk about SFP.
    by Jocelyn Mayer 4/12/2011 12:09:21 PM

  • @edano political groups and corporations are known to hire people to troll internet boards to try to push whatever propaganda they find useful. At some point they can be exposed or just so overwhelmed by people saying otherwise or ignoring them that it is useless. A couple of US corporations were busted using PR firms to do this.
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:11:16 PM

  • got to have lunch... will come back when I can... sy
    by Jocelyn Mayer 4/12/2011 12:11:17 PM

  • @Jocelyn Mayer : as far as i know every type of nuke reactor has a spent fuel pool. or am i wrong ?
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:12:29 PM

  • @edano - I think the point was that Areva are PWR specialists talking about BWRs.
    by Hank Scorpio 4/12/2011 12:14:14 PM

  • @Nancy : i know. when i read the comments in the newspapers, they are full of PR. i hope they are not in here already .... :)
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:14:37 PM

  • @edano: yes, that's what I meant: Areva knows about SFP & SFP problems, but not about BWR reactors.
    by Jocelyn Mayer 4/12/2011 12:14:54 PM

  • @Nancy boerrron translated the modifcation dates to the elevation drawing, theres a temp post to the dates at the top of the page..... the drawing is not marked like an american drawing so i don't know what the modifications refer to but some have been in 2000 and 2002, may be helpful when comparing pics
    by fitter 4/12/2011 12:18:07 PM

  • @edano Do you really think a lame corporate sock puppet would last a day here? :-)
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:22:20 PM

  • @fitter, were they showing mods to the original on #1? I am assuming you meant the blueprint found last week?
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:23:20 PM

  • the spf problem is universal and never really discussed before. they underestimated the possible problems. they focussed on the containments. the overloaded spent fuel pools is caused by the lack of nuclear waste disposals. in my opinion, this is the real and undsolvable problem and it will kill the nuke energy.
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:24:06 PM

  • @Nancy : they have definitely been in the reuters blog !
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:24:34 PM

  • This sentence
    by Scillak 4/12/2011 12:25:49 PM

  • @edano - Spent fuel can be fed into thorium reactors and used up fully. They create no fuel waste.
    by Hank Scorpio 4/12/2011 12:26:19 PM

  • @edano, I know some of the political groups back by certain energy (and other) interests have been pushing talking points to their mouth breathing keyboard brigade. It can be amusing trying to discuss something the poster obviously has zero clue what they are saying but it isn't useful for real information distribution. I know a guy who fits this description. It can be amusing to see what this week's talking point is. I play a game of trying to track back where he got the word for word talking point he tried to pass off as his intelligent well thought out ideas.
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:26:32 PM

  • @Hank Scorpio Not really. Someone posted this on the FB group. It is an interesting counter point to the Thorium discussion. www.ieer.org
    BTW, thorium is one of the new talking points being pushed. The guy I mentioned "discovered" the wonders of thorium last week. :-)
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:28:21 PM

  • Reuters_TopNews Reuters Top News
    Japan mulls spinning off part of nuclear operator: report dlvr.it
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 12:29:04 PM

  • @Nancy - I read about it on my own. I'll read your link. Thanks.
    by Hank Scorpio 4/12/2011 12:29:26 PM

  • Teppy cam total darkness. Second night of no glow and no worklight. pointscope01.jp

    by Nancy via Pointscope01.jp 4/12/2011 12:29:57 PM

  • @Hank, was not implying you were being a sock puppet.
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:30:09 PM

  • @Nancy Might wanna look again glow is there
    by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 12:30:54 PM

  • @Hank Scorpio : just a theory. nuke energy sounds good in theory as well. there is no sense clinging to fantasies.
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:31:32 PM

  • @Nancy - I had to stop reading that after I read the part about "weapons grade uranium." So freaking silly it's not even funny.
    by Hank Scorpio 4/12/2011 12:32:17 PM

  • I'm curious why a few participants in this forum seem intent on discrediting AREVA, and therefore AREVA's pdf presentation. Regardless of AREVA's prior relationship with TEPCO, we should be viewing their information in the same way we would view the disclosures by any other whistle-blower. Yes, they have an agenda, but does that mean their information should be dismissed out of hand or diminished in some way?
    by James Ward 4/12/2011 12:33:16 PM

  • @veen oui, pulled it into photoshop and jacked up the brightness and contrast. There is one, much less that other nights. If it was a light it would be the same intensity. So brings around the "what is it" question again.
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:33:38 PM

  • @Hank. They make some valid points about processing, byproducts and the need for starter material. It is NOT the miracle totally safe solution it is being pushed as. It has advantages and drawbacks.
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:34:37 PM

  • @James Ward - AREVA is hardly a whistleblower!!
    by hudebnik 4/12/2011 12:35:00 PM

  • Finally! New heat images out of MOD. Still none from the 11th. Don't know if they suspended so they could do the other drone flight?
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:37:22 PM

  • @James Ward - I'm happy to take what AREVA says in that presentation as being reasonably factual - it's what they don't say that is at least as important...
    by hudebnik 4/12/2011 12:37:31 PM

  • the two German thorium reactors were really quickly shut down after serious incidents.
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:37:36 PM

  • @Nancy : "sock puppet" :) never heard that before.
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:42:02 PM

  • i think the other board is going nuts ....
    by edano 4/12/2011 12:43:12 PM

  • @Nancy no the drawing we have is the forth or fifth modification to the original drawing, but usually the drawing will have a cloud or triangle refercing the number so you can compare them and you know what is a new change since the last drawing the person had..... lots of items are buit incorrectly because someone is using an old drawing...that has been updated .... the changes probaly pertain to equipment or pipie because struclual would not be in 2000 / 2002..
    by fitter 4/12/2011 12:43:51 PM

  • @Nancy i can't read the title block but would assue thats a equipment or piping (mechanical) drawing vs belonging to the strucural.....
    by fitter 4/12/2011 12:45:52 PM

  • @fitter Ah. would it be useful to run all the japanese text through google translate?
    by Nancy 4/12/2011 12:48:03 PM

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  • @James Ward - AREVA has to save its EPR technology. In France, Sarkozy and Lauvergeon (AREVA) told after 3/11 "If Fukushima were EPR reactors, there won't be any problem".
    by Olivier 4/12/2011 12:52:11 PM

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