Japan Earthquake

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Japan mulls spinning off part of nuclear operator
www.reuters.com
by spanish_reader 4/12/2011 3:07:44 PM

@Tenzing , happy birthday! Who is the horseman? He reminded me of a character in one of my most favorite Kurosawa movies Kagemusha. Just like in this movie, Tepco should find a thief with guts to stand in for their boss. "A mountain does not move!" is needed, instead of an elderly gentleman with high blood pressure. I understand that nobody with responsibility in Japan wants to cause a panic. However, I find the leadership overthere way too timid in their pronouncements. They must be forthright with the people, if they do not want to lose the public's trust.
by Peter Melzer 4/12/2011 3:21:34 PM

think I have managed it the sticky wouldnt let me edit but done now hopefully @mark
by elainekirk 4/12/2011 3:24:36 PM

@Tenzing, Happy Birthday! o tanjobi omedeto gozaimasu!
by Will 4/12/2011 3:30:08 PM

Hello everyone.Off to the mall.I loathe the mall. Phone is good.laptop is busted. Lol@sticky wicket.
by Maureen Burke 4/12/2011 3:31:14 PM

How nuclear apologists mislead the world over radiation www.guardian.co.uk
by Bobby1 4/12/2011 3:31:39 PM

I'm still in awe of the restraint, rationality, unity, and humanity among the Japanese in the midst of this unthinkable triple disaster. It couldn't have happened to a better people, and no nation on earth could have handled it as well (in spite of our criticisms of TEPCO and the GoJ). Imagine the chaos anywhere else in the world if this was going on.
by jay 4/12/2011 3:37:49 PM

@Bobby1 IAEA = International Atomic Energy Apologists
by jay 4/12/2011 3:38:22 PM

@Peter Melzer Send in the Seven Samurai.
by Nancy 4/12/2011 3:38:38 PM

@Bobby1 Excellent article! I was wondering when someone would take Mr. Monbiot to task for his idiotic article.
by James Ward 4/12/2011 3:40:36 PM

@James Ward @jay The contents of this entire blog is a good overview of the situation du-deceptions.blogspot.com
by Bobby1 4/12/2011 3:42:45 PM

@jay Given what they had to deal with, I thought the Russian people dealt with the Chernobyl disaster pretty well. They, too, had their heroes, men and women who knew they were going to die, but did their best anyway.
by James Ward 4/12/2011 3:45:47 PM

Stupid question Du Jour: are the elevation numbers on the blueprint people have been using in centimeters? IE: top crane rail 46800 bluprint in question sites.google.com
by Nancy via Sites.google 4/12/2011 3:58:03 PM

@Nancy - no In milimeters
by Lethbridgean 4/12/2011 3:58:30 PM

@James Ward Agreed. Another case of people rallying, and leadership letting them down.
I was rolling with Tenzing's suggestion, though, and throwing out some words of support toward Japan. I just think about what this situation would be like if we were talking about San Onofre, and I give the Japanese people serious credit for their composure.
by jay 4/12/2011 3:58:36 PM

ie 10000mm=10metre
by Lethbridgean 4/12/2011 3:59:32 PM

Article includes pic of fire at sampling bldg yesterday.
www.msnbc.msn.com
by Scilla 4/12/2011 4:13:54 PM

Japan Disaster Now as Bleak as Chernobyl www.nytimes.com
by Markfm 4/12/2011 4:14:30 PM

WRF model radiation forecast. Good Lord. www.rcec.sinica.edu.tw
by Bobby1 4/12/2011 4:22:58 PM

@Bobby1 That Guardian article is a good summation of all the discussion we've had here about how badly this is being distorted by nuclear proponents. He makes a particularly good point about the pervasiveness of this minimization with this, about the minimization of hundreds of Chernobyl studies:

"Prof Dimitro Godzinsky, of the Ukranian National Academy of Sciences, states in his introduction to the report: "Against this background of such persuasive data some defenders of atomic energy look specious as they deny the obvious negative effects of radiation upon populations. In fact, their reactions include almost complete refusal to fund medical and biological studies, even liquidating government bodies that were in charge of the 'affairs of Chernobyl'. Under pressure from the nuclear lobby, officials have also diverted scientific personnel away from studying the problems caused by Chernobyl.""
by radioguy 4/12/2011 4:23:25 PM

The point here being: All of these people, governments and interlocked corporations and their entire entire vision of the world order, have a dog in this race. In fact, they own damned near all of them.
by radioguy 4/12/2011 4:25:51 PM

NYT article shows the major population centers if the zone is extended to 50 mile radius: www.nytimes.com
by Markfm 4/12/2011 4:27:13 PM

@radioguy Yes, the crisis is really about the international business/government/military thing running the world. Them vs. humanity.
by Bobby1 4/12/2011 4:28:10 PM

And "They" can't figure out whether or not they are ... HUMAN?
by FradyKat 4/12/2011 4:30:20 PM

City of Fukushima, population 300K is to the northwest at about 40 miles.
by Markfm 4/12/2011 4:30:29 PM

Oh look. The monolithic press finally wakes up. That NYT story is front page, above the fold. Now we know what it takes. And for that, no massive headline "Bigger than Chernobyl"... no it's half down and "Japan Rates Disaster as Chernobyl-Scale".
by radioguy 4/12/2011 4:33:37 PM

@mak at the moment I am getting figures around the half million mark but nothing certain yet
by elainekirk 4/12/2011 4:34:23 PM

@Bobby1 Am I to assume that people who survived nuclear blasts were not exposed to internal emmiters. It was a surprise, they didn't have respirators so I assume they were exposed to internal radioactivity. The dose from internal would be offset from the external for those very near the blast, but not farther out. How effective were the evacuation plans for those in the vicinity of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. NOT. The studies are always available for continuation and I don't doubt that they can be Corrected further in accuracy, but they all seem to me to show low levels of exposure represent low INCREASED risk. Not outside the realm of day to day choices people make in their own hazards (fatty foods, alcohol, smoking and jogging on busy streets..oh and also stopping on the highway to assist stranded motorists.) Look at peaceful, wonderful, beautiful wind energy www.democraticunderground.com www.inquisitr.com www.wind-works.org I want my TV, Internet and microwave oven, electricity costs lives. Look at coal. look at living Pedestrian fatalities are 36 times higher than car occupant fatalities per km traveled, and bicycling fatalities are 11 times higher than car occupant fatalities per km."
by RBean 4/12/2011 4:36:38 PM

Workers start removing toxic water in level 7-rated nuke crisis english.kyodonews.jp From the NYT graphic, looks like 450K out to 50 miles, but those are just semi-signficant concentrations, so 500K is reasonable in total.
by Markfm 4/12/2011 4:37:23 PM

@Lethbridgean on the equipment layout drawing have you noticed any clouds/triangles or aother markings showing the rev changes... borran translated the dates and it looks like this is rev 5 to this drawing, but on the drawing i son't find any notation showing the change ?????????
by fitter 4/12/2011 4:38:17 PM

@mark and others re exclusion zone this looks a good analysis but of course we would need @Jim Carver to tell us just how good it is :):) www.dailykos.com
by elainekirk 4/12/2011 4:40:12 PM

@fitter - i'll check and get back to you, ok. On my phone right now so it will have to be when I am around a comp..couple hours
by Lethbridgean 4/12/2011 4:43:54 PM

@radioguy A happy story about Japanese baseball right above it.
by Bobby1 4/12/2011 4:44:13 PM

@Bobby1 Right?
by radioguy 4/12/2011 4:49:53 PM

@radioguy Well they had to report the INES 7 rating story without Americans questioning whether they should be concerned, classic propaganda. Make it look like everything is back to normal in Japan.
by Bobby1 4/12/2011 4:52:41 PM

Just a question - I read that the INES 7 rating belongs to the status from the 11.3.? What do they want to tell with this? Now it's not like that anymore?!
by Mejin 4/12/2011 4:54:36 PM

@Mejin It is not specific to the date, it is the status for the overall accident.
by FradyKat 4/12/2011 4:57:35 PM

The KOS numbers feel high for 20 and 30 km -- I was pretty sure I had heard 25K or so in the initial 20KM, and somewhere around another 80K in the 20 - 30KM zone, but maybe everyone was basing off of a common set of wrong numbers. (that happens)
by Markfm 4/12/2011 5:01:36 PM

@FradyKat Well, I thought so as well, but someone on another website refered to this link: translate.google.com "The classification relates to the time of the outbreak of the disaster a month ago. Since then, the values of the radioactive contamination are greatly diminished."
by Mejin 4/12/2011 5:01:50 PM

Earthquake alert issued by unknown for next 48 hours twitter.com
by Bobby1 4/12/2011 5:03:06 PM

@Mejin Yes, it was that bad from the beginning, and they are just remarking that things are slowly getting better. But the status rating will never change.
by FradyKat 4/12/2011 5:03:34 PM

@Bobby1 issued by an unknown?
by jay 4/12/2011 5:05:53 PM

22 March-03 April upload.wikimedia.org
by kgriff via Upload.wikimedia.org 4/12/2011 5:06:38 PM

@jay Meaning I haven't had time to look the guy up, Kobayashi Asao
by Bobby1 4/12/2011 5:07:01 PM

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by Tenzing 4/12/2011 5:07:04 PM