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  • ok that's what I thought NANCY... I'm still of the opinion that #3 blew that off
    by dean 4/17/2011 10:03:13 PM

  • @all LOTS of smoke. www.tepco.co.jp
    by LM 4/17/2011 10:03:18 PM

  • @dean The only item we have against #3 blowing the containment cap is pressure readings. We also know they can be wrong or falsified so it certainly isn't off the table IMHO.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 10:11:26 PM

  • @dean This Areva doc says 6%MOX fuel, but I don't know if they are talking % of total assemblies or 6% Pu. us.arevablog.com The other document cited below states Japan has authorized up to 13% (any plant, not just Fuku) www.nci.org
    by RBean 4/17/2011 10:14:05 PM

  • @rbean if you search areva docs they have mox and they have japanese mox that may be the pointer
    by elainekirk 4/17/2011 10:22:54 PM

  • @dean : nuke technology is cynical, inhuman and disgusting. and criminal - organized criminality.
    by Edano 4/17/2011 10:24:06 PM

  • by MysticGirl2011 edited by George Gibb 4/17/2011 10:54:45 PM

  • Nuclear energy can be devastating in the primitive ways it's utilized at the moment. All the nuclear waste and radiation produced create significant issues and a single accident can be devastating. But hopefully there will be other forms that are safer in the future, e.g "cold fusion"...
    by talisker 4/17/2011 11:03:39 PM

  • by talisker 4/17/2011 11:03:57 PM

  • @talisker : maybe on the Moon, but not here.
    by Edano 4/17/2011 11:05:09 PM

  • Camera still showing a lot of smoke?
    by Markfm 4/17/2011 11:06:49 PM

  • @Markfm images.scribblelive.com not too much....

    by Edano 4/17/2011 11:07:32 PM

  • by George Gibb 4/17/2011 11:07:48 PM

  • Does anyone remember when they started to build the coffer dam ?
    by Reed 4/17/2011 11:18:48 PM

  • by VeenOui 4/17/2011 11:21:32 PM

  • @VeenOui : not fukushima !?
    by Edano 4/17/2011 11:22:55 PM

  • @Reed I think this is what your looking for : www.tepco.co.jp
    by marie rich edited by elainekirk 4/17/2011 11:28:32 PM

  • @marie rich Thank you for that Marie, but that describes the installation of the silt fence. I'm looking for the date that they started to build the coffer dam.
    by Reed 4/17/2011 11:38:22 PM

  • edan... I respect your privilege to have your opinion.. and the boldness to state it.
    by dean 4/17/2011 11:40:26 PM

  • Why did it take so long to start building a cofferdam?
    by Bobby1 4/17/2011 11:48:58 PM

  • @Reed I think it was at least 2 weeks ago.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 11:49:58 PM

  • A cofferdam has got to be one of the least challenging engineering projects. It doesn't take a lot of planning.
    by Bobby1 4/17/2011 11:51:48 PM

  • @Nancy It doesn't take that long to buld one across such a small harbor. Why do you think it isn't completed given the necessity of the situation?
    by Reed 4/17/2011 11:53:20 PM

  • @Edano the things your complaining about in the nuke industry exist in many other industries. It is a problem with corporate culture that goes back decades. The problem is that when a nuclear plant has a failure it can be catastrophic on a wide scale. A nuke plant is pretty safe when it is running properly, it is when it fails that things become dangerous. Some of the same issues plague the pharmaceutical industry. Greed, nepotism and complacency kills thousands of people a year from the bad outcomes of that industry.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 11:53:28 PM

  • @Reed I don't think they started it or gave up on it. They mentioned it and then next thing was the silt fence, plates in front of the outlets and filter media bags dropped into the inlet areas. I have seen that crane barge in a few tepco cam shots but never seen any real progress on it and not press photos of it being worked on or done.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 11:54:47 PM

  • Nancy..I have been around the types for 37 years who say things like cynical,,, I take it as an ignorance to look into what brilliant scientist are trying to do to protest the very people who protect them ...
    by dean edited by alblee 4/17/2011 11:56:56 PM

  • @Nancy : not quite. i refer to the fact that prior to building a nuclear reactor accident scenarios are taken into account, including deaths in population and homelesses due to evacuation. these scenarios are a "bult-in" risk and they are evaluated in an economic way.
    by Edano 4/18/2011 12:00:01 AM

  • @Nancy We saw the plates being but down to block reactor #2's intake tunnel, and the installation of the silt fence, but the incomplete coffer dam across the harbor is absurd given that the new increase in sea water readings.
    by Reed 4/18/2011 12:00:57 AM

  • @dean : i think your brilliant scientists have their own conscience and i hope they sleep well. most of them will just not think about what they are doing, they do their job for money, that's all.
    by Edano 4/18/2011 12:02:12 AM

  • @Edano Those same kinds of built in risk are added to things like the pharma industry. Something doesn't have to be effective, just has to do what they claim so it can only work 20% of the time and get approval. They work large scale lawsuits, fines and patient deaths into their return on investment and other metrics. This is not something unique to the nuclear industry. I have had exposure to the executive level in so many industries and saw the same callous greed in many of them. It is not unique to the nuclear power industry.
    by Nancy 4/18/2011 12:05:28 AM

  • @Nancy : "A nuke plant is pretty safe when it is running properly." i hope so, but i am not convinced. but what happens to the waste it produces,even if working properly ?
    by Edano 4/18/2011 12:05:29 AM

  • Breaker... There's plenty of coffee, it seems, over at the other unmod room, for nuke industry/conscience/morals talk. Smile!
    by alblee 4/18/2011 12:07:19 AM

  • @Edano that is a problem they should have been forced to solve before the first plant was allowed to run commercially IMHO. Then there are issues like the flaws found in the GE Mark 1 reactors that have been ignored for decades. They are now coming home to roost. Other industries have toxic pollutants they dispose of in irresponsible ways, they just happen to manifest in different ways and have different impacts than reactor waste. If I had my way every Mark 1 BWR in the world would be shut down. They are old and highly flawed. They also need to do something about the uncontained fuel pools. I see for now nuclear power something we will be stuck with for a while until we improve our energy system. I have less of an issue with newer plants with hopefully better design. But the corporate culture across industries and world wide must be forced to change and have better accountability.
    by Nancy 4/18/2011 12:09:45 AM

  • @Nancy : i agree with pharmaceutical industry being similar. but it is still a different thing. complaints about nuke technology are still valid.
    by Edano 4/18/2011 12:09:47 AM

  • @Nancy [opinion] any nuke technologie to be banned from planet.
    by Edano 4/18/2011 12:11:49 AM

  • Smoke down to a low boil again pointscope01.jp

    by Nancy via Pointscope01.jp 4/18/2011 12:13:17 AM

  • The truth is that the spike in radiation in the sea water is due to “fizzle” explosions from the burning cores caused by plutonium separating out and reaching critical state. The Neutron beams that are being detected confirm this is actually happening. The spikes in the radioactivity measured in the water will continue to fluctuate as the fizzle explosions occur. Cooling the melted mess that were formerly reactors will take months because it is not obvious how they can actually be cool manually now that they have been completely destroyed. So of course that will take time. In addition the heat levels will be sure to rise as the fizzle explosions continue while the cores descend pumping massive amounts of super heated, vapourised, radioactive and gasified earth into the biosphere. That alone is causing the most headaches for scientists and engineers as they try to figure out how to cap what are now chimneys created by the melted cores as they descend to the mantle. yeswaterisfuel.com
    by Majjham Zazen 4/18/2011 12:16:25 AM

  • @edano "question" does that include nuclear medicine
    by dean 4/18/2011 12:17:07 AM

  • by MysticGirl2011 4/18/2011 12:18:41 AM

  • @dean : i admit, there are some exceptions i would accept: small aggregates for certain boats, in space and in medicine.
    by Edano 4/18/2011 12:19:16 AM

  • @dean : ..... and research (in physics).
    by Edano 4/18/2011 12:21:37 AM

  • ty Edano... however the boats use the same physics and such to prove safety.. but.. a nuclear submarine can explode..
    by dean 4/18/2011 12:22:06 AM

  • elementar physics.
    by Edano 4/18/2011 12:22:11 AM

  • good ... research in physics is good
    by dean 4/18/2011 12:22:17 AM

  • I wonder,, if we shut down all nuclear power plants how many deaths would there be from fossil fuels... not sure
    by dean 4/18/2011 12:23:05 AM

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