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  • english.kyodonews.jp Children of Fukushima need our protection
    by e123 4/27/2011 11:36:35 PM

  • @radioguy This is my big concern. What is the back up plan? Even if it isn't pretty, stating what the back up scenario is and how to deal with it needs to be talked about.
    by Nancy 4/27/2011 11:48:46 PM

  • Looks a bit better. pointscope01.jp
    by Scilla 4/28/2011 12:03:08 AM

  • @scilla I thought maybe the whisper of steam to the left of the smoke was becoming more intense I was wondering if the fire was preventing them cooling another?
    by elainekirk 4/28/2011 12:05:24 AM

  • Is there a fire? I assumed it was steam.
    by Scilla 4/28/2011 12:13:30 AM

  • It does look grayish, but the whole sky is gray, hard to tell.
    by Scilla 4/28/2011 12:15:17 AM

  • If the rate is 50 microSv/Hour means 1200 microSv/day = 1.2mSv/day. It would take 208 days to reach the critical level of 250 mSv (for an year) where TEPCO removes a worker from plant. If we adhere to the earlier limit of 150mSv dosage (per year) it would take 125 days. Thus the people who stay in the area that has 50 microSv/hour they can stay there for 125 days consecutively to not to have any detrimental health effects (acc. to TEPCO standard).. Of course, for pregnant women and infants/toddlers/children upto age 12 evne 125 days is too much for them.
    by Optim 4/28/2011 12:19:44 AM

  • @Optim but...this is the allowance for an NPP worker, not the public.
    by talisker 4/28/2011 12:28:23 AM

  • web.me.com this is a good site to understand what radation dose is.
    by e123 4/28/2011 12:32:24 AM

  • Fukushima city removing schools' topsoil [Kyodo, April 28]: search.japantimes.co.jp

    Koriyama, Fukushima Prefecture, began removing the topsoil from playgrounds at its elementary and nursery schools Wednesday, following radiation leaks from the nearby Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.
    ...
    The education and science ministry has set a radiation limit of 3.8 microsieverts per hour to allow children in Fukushima Prefecture to play outdoors.
    by es 4/28/2011 12:33:44 AM

  • normal dose is 3.65msv a year in the usa and 15% is from medical scans.
    by e123 4/28/2011 12:34:25 AM

  • OPINION: Children of Fukushima need our protection

    By Tilman Ruff
    MELBOURNE, April 26, Kyodo

    I was dismayed to learn that the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology earlier this week increased the allowable dose of ionizing radiation for children in Fukushima Prefecture.

    The dose they set, 3.8 microsieverts per hour, equates to more than 33 millisieverts (mSv) over a year. This is to apply to children in kindergartens, nursery, primary and junior high schools. Let me try to put this in perspective.

    Widely accepted science tells us that the health risk from radiation is proportional to the dose -- the bigger the dose the greater the risk, and there is no level without risk.

    The International Commission on Radiological Protection recommends that all radiation exposure be kept as low as achievable, and for the public, on top of background radiation and any medical procedures, should not exceed 1 mSv per year.

    For nuclear industry workers, they recommend a maximum permissible annual dose of 20 mSv averaged over five years, with no more than 50 mSv in any one year.

    In Japan the maximum allowed annual dose for workers, 100 mSv, was already higher than international standards. This has been increased in response to the Fukushima disaster to 250 mSv.

    The U.S. National Academy of Sciences BEIR VII report estimates that each 1 mSv of radiation is associated with an increased risk of solid cancer (cancers other than leukemia) of about 1 in 10,000; an increased risk of leukemia of about 1 in 100,000; and a 1 in 17,500 increased risk of dying from cancer.

    But a critical factor is that not everyone faces the same level of risk. For infants (under 1 year of age) the radiation-related cancer risk is 3 to 4 times higher than for adults; and female infants are twice as susceptible as male infants.

    Females' overall risk of cancer related to radiation exposure is 40 percent greater than for males. Fetuses in the womb are the most radiation-sensitive of all.

    The pioneering Oxford Survey of Childhood Cancer found that X-rays of mothers, involving doses to the fetus of 10-20 mSv, resulted in a 40 percent increase in the cancer rate among children up to age 15.

    In Germany, a recent study of 25 years of the national childhood cancer register showed that even the normal operation of nuclear power plants is associated with a more than doubling of the risk of leukemia for children under 5 years old living within 5 kilometers of a nuclear plant.

    Increased risk was seen to more than 50 km away. This was much higher than expected, and highlights the particular vulnerability to radiation of children in and outside the womb.

    In addition to exposure measured by typical external radiation counters, the children of Fukushima will also receive internal radiation from particles inhaled and lodged in their lungs, and taken in through contaminated food and water.

    A number of radioactive substances are concentrated up the food chain and in people. As a parent, as a physician, the decision to allow the children of Fukushima to be exposed to such injurious levels of radiation is an unacceptable abrogation of the responsibility of care and custodianship for our children and future generations.

    (Tilman Ruff is chair of the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons and associate professor at the Nossal Institute for Global Health at the University of Melbourne, Australia.)

    ==Kyodo
    by e123 4/28/2011 12:37:27 AM

  • @e123 the article is already posted on this board although it has not yet been posted on the discussion board
    www.scribblelive.com
    worded that wrongly thanks for posting and could you post it on the discussion board too please
    by elainekirk 4/28/2011 12:52:36 AM

  • @elainekirk Is this helpful for your Pu/MOX research ? "Japan's Plutonium Utilization Plans" www.cnic.jp
    by Reed edited by elainekirk 4/28/2011 12:54:17 AM

  • @elaine, were you asking about walkways between buildings yesterday?
    by Nancy 4/28/2011 12:56:10 AM

  • I posted pic of an escape corridor between #3 & #4 third floor wondered if that could have contributed to the sucking in?
    by elainekirk 4/28/2011 12:58:28 AM

  • @elainekirk I found what looked like a catwalk between buildings, looks like it is on the top level but can't tell if it is large enough for people or just for cabling etc. cryptome.org

    by Nancy via Cryptome.org 4/28/2011 1:01:22 AM

  • It has fire escape sign I found it as a 'we found this fault which we will rectify' case (the sign had no working backlight)
    by elainekirk 4/28/2011 1:03:10 AM

  • pointscope01.jp
    Teppycam 2011/04/28 10:00 JST
    Good GMT+8 morning, guys. I'll try to spend as much time as I can here, juggling some desk and off-desk work in Manila. So I'll be off and on throughout my morning. Thanks.

    by ALBLEE via Pointscope01.jp 4/28/2011 1:05:21 AM

  • Nothing from the Quince Fukubots, so far, or may I have missed anything from those? Thanks.
    by ALBLEE 4/28/2011 1:11:08 AM

  • Robot 'Quince' to investigate nuclear plant: www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by es 4/28/2011 1:18:29 AM

  • @Bobby1 Slowly and surely the daughters of the U family appear in the press. Now we see Americium and Curium. www.yomiuri.co.jp

    [Thanks, @Reed. A while back there was a lot of buzz about elusive strontium data. Is there a burning reason why folks wanted to observe stontium? - Alblee]
    by Reed edited by alblee 4/28/2011 1:22:28 AM

  • And the drone flyby aerial shots, fresh ones would be interesting to see, too.
    by ALBLEE 4/28/2011 1:23:00 AM

  • @ALBLEE There was a brief video from about 2 days ago, have you seen that one?

    [Yes, @Nancy. I was thinking aloud that there would be at least one flyby daily if only for continuing surveillance purposes.]
    by Nancy edited by alblee 4/28/2011 1:24:00 AM

  • i thought that the satalites they have these days can read a postage stamp.

    [Thanks, @e123. Depends on the size of your postage stamp, I guess. Like maybe 10m x 10m? DigitalGlobe images would be more useful, methinks, but these are business/commercial things, as I gather. - Alblee]
    by e123 edited by alblee 4/28/2011 1:28:03 AM

  • We can order Digital Globe images, they are quite expensive though, IIRC in the hundreds of dollars per image.
    by Nancy 4/28/2011 1:31:08 AM

  • @ALBLEE @Reed Check out www.epa.gov "Common power plant radionuclides", strontium is #3, it's always been one of the biggest concerns going back to the bomb test days.

    I hate hearing about U compounds and transuranics.
    by Bobby1 4/28/2011 1:37:32 AM

  • @ALBLEE You do have a way with words, heheh. Yes, there are two main reasons to search for the isotopes. One, we can see if there's been a release of material that will cause manifold health risks for years into the future, and two, by doing so one can calculate source terms and timings of the isotope's creation, release, and dispersal.
    by Reed 4/28/2011 1:38:09 AM

  • Thanks, @Bobby1, so folks looking for Strontium from Fukushima Ground Zero must be trying to discern something (?) specific for some big concern? Thanks.
    by ALBLEE 4/28/2011 1:41:37 AM

  • How Radiation from Fukushima is now in the USA

    by Debra Beckham 4/28/2011 1:45:18 AM

  • @ALBLEE I can't see how you can get a huge tellerium release and a barium release, and not have a strontium release too. The one silver lining is that I don't see #4 being a big player in this. It's the other reactors.
    by Bobby1 4/28/2011 1:45:54 AM

  • Fukushima Residents Seek Answers Amid Mixed Signals From Media, TEPCO and Government. Report from the Radiation Exclusion Zone japanfocus.org
    by Debra Beckham 4/28/2011 1:47:54 AM

  • @Reed The Japanese version of Yomiuri has a lot more.
    by Bobby1 4/28/2011 1:48:29 AM

  • lol, Fukushima continues to downplay problems 4/26/11 TEPCO NHK

    by Debra Beckham 4/28/2011 1:49:24 AM

  • @Bobby1 So I discovered thanks to you and your post...many thanks.
    by Reed 4/28/2011 1:50:09 AM

  • A few days old but still very important.

    by Tenzing 4/28/2011 1:50:17 AM

  • 13 nursery schools, they are going to "scrape off" the top and let the children go back! 13 of them, that's unimaginable...watching the news in between the moron in that last video I posted. 13 nursery schools :(
    by Debra Beckham 4/28/2011 1:55:46 AM

  • Could NUCLEAR EXPERIMENTS have gone on there?
    "Experts say symptoms Typically take MORE THAN 2-WEEKS to EMERGE".
    Say this beam hit them on the 12th. That would be 12-Days since I believe they went to Hospital on the 23-24th.
    The injury is close to this mans hand in loss of tissue at 9-days.

    IMO-He had to get hit with at least 300-400 rem = 3,000-4,000 msv Acute.
    OR consider they are telling the truth...
    They said 180msv so He would have to hold that position for 16 HOURS!
    BS they are lying! They lied about WHERE all the burns were. Sure His feet,...BUT his thighs are raw and blistered.
    He's got bloodied knees.
    His forearm is blistered as a side affect from the beam.
    His TRICEP is CONCAVE eaten away by the burn from the beam.

    Could Reactor #3 Be Japan's Experimental Reactor Building to
    conduct Radioactive Experiments? NUCLEAR WEAPONS EXPERIMENTS?
    MAYBE that's why this plant has the HIGHEST ACCIDENT Rate.

    by Tenzing 4/28/2011 1:56:28 AM

  • Could NUCLEAR EXPERIMENTS have gone on there?
    "Experts say symptoms Typically take MORE THAN 2-WEEKS to EMERGE".
    Say this beam hit them on the 12th. That would be 12-Days since I believe they went to Hospital on the 23-24th.
    The injury is close to this mans hand in loss of tissue at 9-days.

    IMO-He had to get hit with at least 300-400 rem = 3,000-4,000 msv Acute.
    OR consider they are telling the truth...
    They said 180msv so He would have to hold that position for 16 HOURS!
    BS they are lying! They lied about WHERE all the burns were. Sure His feet,...BUT his thighs are raw and blistered.
    He's got bloodied knees.
    His forearm is blistered as a side affect from the beam.
    His TRICEP is CONCAVE eaten away by the burn from the beam.

    Could Reactor #3 Be Japan's Experimental Reactor Building to
    conduct Radioactive Experiments? NUCLEAR WEAPONS EXPERIMENTS?
    MAYBE that's why this plant has the HIGHEST ACCIDENT Rate.

    by Tenzing 4/28/2011 1:57:23 AM

  • @Debra Beckham So if they scrape the soil now so they can use the schools. What happens if there is another release and more contamination, just scrape down more?

    [Bingo, like when a storm or typhoon churns up things quite a bit. - Alblee]
    by Nancy edited by alblee 4/28/2011 1:57:27 AM

  • @e123 No I haven't when did you post it?
    by Tenzing 4/28/2011 1:57:58 AM

  • they are on youtube nuclear ginza it is about how people are treated in the nuclear industry very interseting, its a half hour documentary.
    by e123 4/28/2011 1:59:42 AM

  • Did this get report posted - TEPCO analysis on soil - americium, curium, plutonium
    www.tepco.co.jp

    See three attachments…Playground ( 500m) .021 Bq/kg Pu-238
    Playground, Waste Disposal Facility (marked x on radiation map?) Cs-134, Cs-136, Cs-137, Te-129m, Te-132, Nb-95, Ag-110m and
    Pu-238, Pu-239, U-234, U-235, U-238, Am-241, Cm-242, Cm-243, Cm-244
    by Deirdre 4/28/2011 2:01:41 AM

  • @Nancy They can't scrape the buildings, the plants, the playground equipment, they can't get every grain, into every nook and cranny. At the way things are looking, there will probably be more raining down on them.
    by Debra Beckham 4/28/2011 2:01:49 AM

  • @Nancy @Debra Beckham Katz@Yokosonews mentioned on his live broadcast earlier today that this topsoil removal has caused some local conflict as apparantly there's no law in Japan concerning the disposal of contaminated nuclear waste outside of NPPs. So basically it seems problems are now arising over where to put all the dirty soil they've begun scraping off school playgrounds.
    by es 4/28/2011 2:02:10 AM

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