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  • @fitter Nuclear Power/Energy was a child of the cold war, and was therefore significantly classified. The problem, as I see it, is that nuclear power never really escaped that classified designation. All that secrecy, for so long, has left the American People ignorant of what Nuclear power is. But what Memo's are you talking about? LOL:)
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 2:28:51 PM

  • @fitter and RBeaner-Limerick was also listed as the third most likely nuclear plant to experience a core event, and just got permission to up their generating capacity by roughly 1.5% ( further stressing existing systems?).
    by momof3 4/28/2011 2:29:09 PM

  • @All does any one know what just happened to Dean's link or am I imagining things!!!
    by fitter 4/28/2011 2:35:38 PM

  • @RBeaner @momof3 Public accesability to info needs improved.... it looks like the NRC briefing is "blacked out" has anyone been able to see it?
    by fitter 4/28/2011 2:37:10 PM

  • fitter I pinned them up above so we can add them to the database
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:38:59 PM

  • @momof3 I've worked in the nuclear power, US field. Things do in fact go wrong at times. I was never involved in big accidents, where there might be incentive to fudge the numbers. I have been involved in situations that required a 0-3 on the INES scale. My experience shows that those information releases were completely accurate. No obfuscation. No Lies. Prehaps when problems become more widespread, than the local stream, politicians get involved and start burying the consequences. I know of no circumstances like this. All situations I observed were (relatively) accurately reported on. Including the second guessing of Mr. Jack Shannon!
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 2:39:27 PM

  • @dean OK i thugth i was having a senior moment there...... i tried going there but it would not open.... that when i cane back and it was gone... i'll try again
    by fitter 4/28/2011 2:42:55 PM

  • ok fitter.. let me know
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:46:47 PM

  • RBeaner were you a rad engr? may I ask
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:47:55 PM

  • I've been pressing for press coverage, and I am currently emailing Sierra Club in my state to see if they have any leads on how I can pursue this further.
    by momof3 4/28/2011 2:48:55 PM

  • adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov^pbntad01&LogonID=c2f87d42e9207f23464908f9d83c325e&id=050900227 NRC request to perform shroud repairs at CLINTON..
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:49:09 PM

  • adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov^pbntad01&LogonID=c2f87d42e9207f23464908f9d83c325e&id=050900227
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:50:05 PM

  • adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov^pbntad01&LogonID=c2f87d42e9207f23464908f9d83c325e&id=050900227
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:51:07 PM

  • @momof3 I absolutely encourage you to get some smple analysis done. I am not saying believe the gov numbers. If you need help in getting in touch with your local universities for beneficient assistance, I might be able to help. But it would probably more useful if it just came from you. A local, concerned resident. Take the samples at several different points and get them analyzed. It's not hard.
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 2:51:10 PM

  • gosh darn it
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:51:16 PM

  • that worked better..
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:53:16 PM

  • @dean Several years in radiological controls, I did rad eng for two years, but am not a real engineer.
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 2:53:53 PM

  • time for exercise and training.. be safe all.. ty be back later
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:53:54 PM

  • nice RBeaner, I have good friends that did that it's a big responsiblity in a plant
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:54:29 PM

  • later all
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:54:46 PM

  • @dean Yeah, but I never had to change my name, like I do with the "Red Scourge Nancy" :)
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 2:56:26 PM

  • we will always know you as RBeaner
    by dean 4/28/2011 2:57:20 PM

  • @dean just plain LOL...delete me
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 3:02:54 PM

  • @RBeaner-I got in touch with Sierra Club and several other "safe water" groups in PA. I am hoping they can direct me to some local groups that may be interested in additional independent testing and interpretation of the effluent info on Limerick. I hope they can at least suggest some ideas on how I can get more data and get the info disseminated. They have their hands full in pa right now with the hydrofracking issue, but I hope they'll give this some consideration. Finding a university interested in analysis is a good idea.
    by momof3 4/28/2011 3:10:29 PM

  • anybody know which unit Nancy got the blueprint for ?
    by elainekirk 4/28/2011 3:14:27 PM

  • @RBeaner are you still out there
    by fitter 4/28/2011 3:18:43 PM

  • @momof3 University students will do it based on their own interests, if the equipment is available. I wonder if the local (significant concentration of) hospitals are giving treatment to cancer patients on a 3-4 month rotating basis. Not because of conspiracy, just because of convenience and unknowing of the final effect. Google Safe water and there is this other group ....Thinking ...Ok , can't think of it. But these people come once every 3 months and want me to sign a thing about water quality, sorry I'm feeling stupid at this point. They wanted me to sign a....?
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 3:27:41 PM

  • @fitter @momof3 I believe the group you're talking about is Clean Water Action? www.cleanwateraction.org They have come to my door wanting signatures and money too.
    by General Armchair 4/28/2011 3:33:26 PM

  • Woops, sorry, meant to be @RBeaner :)
    by General Armchair 4/28/2011 3:34:22 PM

  • @momof3 Just remember that with groups like the sierra club, they have bigger (usually chemical ) fish to fry than these EXTREMELY low levels of radioactivity. I'm not trying to discourage investigation, just that they may not be interested because of other problems they are facing. Fracking is probably a larger hazard to you and your family than the Fukushima event. I have a portable meter that will determine your radiation exposure, if it is Significant... But the same portable device may not be available for benzine, hydrazine and other chemicals associated withy fracting.
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 3:35:42 PM

  • Tepco postpones plan (to flood reactors). online.wsj.com
    by Scilla 4/28/2011 3:37:50 PM

  • RBeaner-Yes, we are concerned with fracking as well. We recently moved back to PA after living out of state for 5 years, and getting an RO/carbon filter system for our water is at the top of my priority list, primarily because of my concerns over fracking, but also due to the situation in Japan. My local water treatment facility (i'm in the burbs) only recently disclosed that they "treated" (I use that term loosely!) fracking wastewater last year at some point. I just emailed the head of the environmental science program at UPenn and asked him to consider whether any students would be interested in water testing, etc. I also found they have an Environmental Advocacy and Education concentration. I'm going to send my email around to a few other area chem/environmental science depts and see if anyone expresses an interest.
    by momof3 4/28/2011 3:46:16 PM

  • @Scilla That was an interesting one. It seems the test worked too well and lowered the temperature and pressure to a degree that they were afraid outside air would get into the reactor chamber and cause another explosion. The solution to this problem would be to keep a positive pressure on the vessel while undergoing the cooling process. For safety sake I have recommended Argon gas for this purpose instead of nitrogen.
    by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 3:46:21 PM

  • @General Armchair You are right, that was the group I was thinking of. www.cleanwateraction.org I don't endorse them, If they want to publish drinking water quality standards , and lack of meeting them, then I would be all for them. I think we deserve all the information available. If we can't get it through Gov. sources, then we need to get it through private sources. I don't believe in Lobbying. Get the grass roots involved, and if they feel strongly enough about it, change will occur.
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 3:48:50 PM

  • @RBeaner - I suppose the 1.2Sv/hr radiation levels being reported yesturday by Tepco should just be brushed off as "EXTREMELY" low levels. I am positive you were one of the "Extremely?" smart predictors that no radiation would NEVER reach NA.
    by Lethbridgean 4/28/2011 3:50:01 PM

  • I sent my email to the cleanwateraction folks as well. I found a link to several groups on the sierra club site, as well as two individuals from the sierra club who specifically focus on water related issues. If they aren't interested, I'm hoping they'll put me in contact with another group that may be interested in independent testing. I'm not as much concerned about the levels (which I do find somewhat concerning) as to the length of time someone sat on this info, and the lack of the press asking questions about the origin of the 131. I'm also concerned that they stopped testing for a lot of isotopes back in 2006-2007, which makes it tough to know what else is in the water contributing radioactivity. Without that info, I have trouble with their statements that it would be safe to drink X liters per day. Perhaps I'm overly paranoid but I'm uncomfortable with the lack of transparency.
    by momof3 4/28/2011 3:55:11 PM

  • @Lethbridgean What is NA? Where is this 1.28Sv/hr? That is certainly not low levels, but where iis that?
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 3:55:22 PM

  • @Jim Carver They pump in nitrogen and the pressure rises -- alarmingly! They slow that down and extend the process. Fine. Then they start to inject lots of water and the pressure drops -- alarmingly! So they stop that.

    The days tick by, one after another. 3 months (and that was two weeks ago!) to get to where they are reducing emissions (according to the "Plan"). I don't see it.
    by General Armchair 4/28/2011 3:56:43 PM

  • @RBeaner I assume "NA" is North America. And as far as I know, one of the Packbots found the 1.28 Sv/hr levels somewhere inside unit #1.
    by General Armchair 4/28/2011 3:59:32 PM

  • @momof3 I don't blame you for being concerned (suspicious) , out in the open is the way to go, Sunshine is the best dissinfectant. All sound familiar? The fact of the matter is that most Americans can NOT make any reasonable decision or concepualize an effect from radioactivity. Sure, HUGE levels, encountered by heroic workers trying to prevent exposures to civilians might have a specific effect. Those workers understood thier risk (small, but increased) , but when translated into extremely small exposures like in the US, we fail to understand or put the risk into perspective, I repeat, according to the US cancer assosiation, 37% of women and 44% of men are going to "get Cancer" anyway .Oh and 20% will actually die of cancer. That's 1 out of 5 dearhs.
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 4:12:06 PM

  • One of the professors I contacted from UPenn suggested I contact the Stroud Water Research center. In their contact info, they list some scientists that specifically look at organic and isotope geochemistry. I just saw on their site that they've done some examination/testing on the Schuylkill River www.stroudcenter.org "sojourn on the Schuylkill) in 2009. I will have to peruse that later today and see what they found at that time.
    by momof3 4/28/2011 4:12:56 PM

  • @General Armchair You are absolutely correct, it was www.cleanwateraction.org
    by RBeaner 4/28/2011 4:14:05 PM

  • I' ve been looking at the results of the test on reactor 1 www.meti.go.jp
    by Martin 4/28/2011 4:17:26 PM

  • @General Armchair Did they really pump in Nitrogen? Did the Pressure really rises? I agree with you that "The days tick by, one after another. 3 months ...." this and the fact that they are releasing radioactivity is the only thing that we really now is TRUE . Oh I forget we now also that is true that they don't want us to now the True.
    by Majjham Zazen 4/28/2011 4:18:18 PM

  • Pretty significant changes with more water. Temperature getting close to cold shutdown conditions. It's good to see that the heat can be removed once the conditions are right
    by Martin 4/28/2011 4:18:55 PM

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