Japan Earthquake

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Is anyone moderating this board right now?
by Maureen Burke 4/28/2011 4:34:58 PM

@Maureen Burke not sure, I have been gone for about 3 hours. Is elaine around?
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:35:51 PM

@elainekirk Hi Elaine, blueprint is for #1
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:38:14 PM

www.tepco.co.jp

Does anybody have any idea what this means? I guess TEPCO is asking for an amendment to orders NISA issued about a month ago, but I caon't figure out what they want changed.
by General Armchair 4/28/2011 4:38:29 PM

@elainekirk- I haven't seen Elaine but I just woke up. There are some seemingly agenda-driven, dismissive posts down below that don't qualify as news and are quite irritating, to be honest.
by Maureen Burke 4/28/2011 4:41:05 PM

@General Armchair It looks like they are asking for exceptions to rules the Govt. established recently on NPP's due to the epic cluster-fuku they have going on.
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:43:51 PM

@Nancy LOL @ cluster fuku :)
by General Armchair 4/28/2011 4:44:18 PM

@Maureen Burke I just gleaned through to see if there was any news or anything major. If someone hasn't done a clean-up by this afternoon I will see if I can figure out how. Makes finding updates easier. :-)
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:45:01 PM

So has anyone heard anything new today? All I had in my news feeds was opinion pieces and old news from earlier in the week.
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:45:54 PM

@Nancy I haven't found anything of substance today. That's why I've been so quiet.
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 4:47:02 PM

@Nancy -cool. Thanks.
by Maureen Burke 4/28/2011 4:47:51 PM

@Nancy Mind if I move your stuff out of /Archive and into /Current ?
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 4:49:10 PM

@Maureen Burke sent you a FB message
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:49:44 PM

or is there a better place?
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 4:49:57 PM

@Nancy Scilla posted link to Wall Street Journal article saying TEPCO has temporarily abandoned plan to fill reactor #1 with water, because pressure dropped too much (could lead to air entering containment and possible hydrogen explosion, supposedly).
by General Armchair 4/28/2011 4:50:02 PM

@Jim Carver the stuff I uploaded yesterday? That is ready to be used
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:50:06 PM

@General Armchair I have to wonder if pumping in boron with some sort of sticky substance would work to neutralize the reactors or wherever the fuel is right now..
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:52:11 PM

Maybe one of the engineers on the board can explain this to me. Until the latest readings in reactor 1, all 3 were above the boiling point of water at their pressure. That means steam is being produced. Where does it go? I assume that it's going in pipes to the turbine building and is condensing without any help from the broken cooling and circulation equipment and that the water is then, probably, spilling on the floor over there. But now in reactor 1, with water going in and for the first time no more steam coming out, where will the water and heat go? Is the broken recirculation system or residual heat removal system back?
by Martin 4/28/2011 4:52:32 PM

@Nancy gotcha
by Maureen Burke 4/28/2011 4:54:06 PM

@Martin When the pressure rises to a set point they bleed it off.
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 4:54:27 PM

@Martin For that matter, has anybody ever seen any explanation as to where the water is SUPPOSED to be going? The continual "surprise" expressed by TEPCO and/or NISA about the presence of all the water in the turbine buildings simply doesn't make sense to me.
by General Armchair 4/28/2011 4:55:08 PM

It's a balancing act between temp and pressure.
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 4:55:11 PM

According to the Austrian newspaper "Der Standard" Greenpeace is not allowed to do radiation measurements within the 12-mile exclusion zone. They are, however, allowed to do so outside Japanese territorial waters.
by freddy 4/28/2011 4:55:44 PM

@momof3 You can (in many states) ask the dep't. of health to come test your household water. Don't know if they test for radionuclides. But if you can get a group to keep asking, they will usually pursue it. Here's the link for pennsylvania: www.portal.health.state.pa.us
by marie rich edited by elainekirk 4/28/2011 4:55:49 PM

@fitter please stay safe and check in when you can to let us know you are ok!
by Angie 4/28/2011 4:55:53 PM

@Angie will do ....ok at the moment, but its been very active here!!!
by fitter 4/28/2011 4:56:48 PM

really sorry some got held up in mod I had to run to town (caught a bus actually but 'run' sounds better :)) welcome to the list Freddy
by elainekirk 4/28/2011 4:56:59 PM

@Jim Carver Do we know where they do the "bleeding" from? I mean the specific valve or place or location in the units?
by General Armchair 4/28/2011 4:57:31 PM

@General Armchair Water takes the lowest level and it is rising. That's why they are concentrating on efforts to remove it. Last figures I saw were a little under 500 tonnes per day.
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 4:58:02 PM

@freddy Hi freddy! If you hear more about the Greenpeace boat and if they have any success getting readings please post here. I have not seen much for details about it. They are about the only 3rd party fact-check we have on the ground there.
by Nancy 4/28/2011 4:59:25 PM

@General Armchair At the top of the reactor there is a valve designed for this purpose. It can be operated remotely in normal circumstances, but in this case it may be manually controlled.
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 4:59:53 PM

@Jim Carver so they release it to the suppression chamber? I thought they stopped doing that because of the hydrogen in there
by Martin 4/28/2011 5:00:43 PM

@Nancy- gotcha too..via M @RBeaner - Spoken like a true Eugenics supporter.
by Lethbridgean 4/28/2011 5:01:06 PM

@Jim Carver @Martin here is just a thought... under normal conditions.. the steam would vent to the torus... the it vents from there... The steam main has a minimum of two isloation valves that i can see... so the steam would not be going to the turbine buildings... in normal operations the turbine building has its own "srubbing system" for low level cont.. BUT ...... they are probaly using any pathway that they can so you can not go by what the system is suppoeted to be doing... Also don't know if the turbine bluiding srubbers are working... but do know they work better than the Containment buildings... or lack there of.... (NO ROOF).... if they could process the steam to the turbine bluids and use that scrubbig system (sought its working) they would be better off....
by fitter 4/28/2011 5:02:57 PM

@Martin I am assuming that the injection of nitrogen is ongoing to reduce the risk of explosion.
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 5:04:53 PM

@Jim Carver Yesterday's IAEA update says it is continuing in unit #1.
by General Armchair 4/28/2011 5:05:30 PM

@fitter I tend to doubt that the scrubbers are functional at this time.
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 5:07:00 PM

@Jim Carver i agree but they may have a better chance of getting them operational than any thing else... they feed to thier own building.. on an outside rack once they leave the building from what i can figure....
by fitter 4/28/2011 5:08:35 PM

@ll I have a problem with the statement about being afraid of air getting into the reactor chamber. If it has integrity, it should be an easy matter to keep positive pressure. That one makes me go..huh?
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 5:10:55 PM

@Jim Carver in ther situtuation they need to take what they can get, but the flip side is if it just goes throught the roof.... NO problem.. if they could get it cycled to the turbine scrubbers them they have to deal with "contaninated" residue... (like where to put the water...) I'm going to try and review the infro on the turbine buliding system make sure i'm not having a senior monment!!
by fitter 4/28/2011 5:11:28 PM

interesting pictures from Browns Ferry, Alabama, same design as Fuku: img.ibtimes.com
by Edano via Img.ibtimes 4/28/2011 5:12:23 PM

@Jim Carver Me too. Huh? Just one more Huh? we have to live with, since apparently there is little interest in the Japanese press corps to press for answers to these questions.
by General Armchair 4/28/2011 5:12:41 PM

img.ibtimes.com Browns Ferry service floor
by Edano via Img.ibtimes 4/28/2011 5:13:24 PM

@fitter Good luck! They throw out so much confusing information and change the story so often--it's hard to know which end is up most of the time.
by Jim Carver 4/28/2011 5:13:41 PM