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  • yes.. I wake every day quite early, it's my quiet time and actually most productive up until about 11:00 a.m. then, I like to do my activities and hobbies
    by dean 5/4/2011 11:55:24 AM

  • on what carabnr and estacion mentioned. If the govt. does not declare an evacuation need those people get no assistance at all. So lack of cautions, danger zones, closed schools will leave many people with no help and possibly unable to fund the costs of moving or staying elsewhere for now. This is what is extremely wrong right now (among so many other things). The govt. is putting those people in a horrible spot. Everyone knows many of those areas are unsafe but the govt. refuses to help them for political and money reasons.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 11:57:34 AM

  • gm Nancy ... it's deplorable and in humane... I can't imagine what belief system would come to those conclusions when it involves human life
    by dean 5/4/2011 11:59:23 AM

  • @dean I think the govt. here would do the same thing and excuse it away if they felt the political expediency to do so. There needs to be an optional or voluntary evac zone that is wider. Where if people feel unsafe they can leave and get govt. assistance to do so.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:01:36 PM

  • At government level internationally citizens are known as human capital and are factored the same way as money is . those people are collateral damage and the cost of evacuating will have been balanced against the future healthcare costs obviously healthcare was the economically viable option.
    by elainekirk 5/4/2011 12:03:00 PM

  • @estacion forgive me, it was dinner time. And dinner time here in Japan seems more a gamble everyday! I agree that the soil issue is a distraction, but for people here it is an entryway into feeling empowered to challenge the govt. Most people don't feel qualified to challenge the GOJ in terms of the levels of radiation entering the sea and the local area, since they, like most people don't understand radiation. But defending children doesn't require special knowledge. So this issue is an opening to begin to make demands related to public health.
    by bo 5/4/2011 12:03:01 PM

  • I definitely agree Nancy, I was looking at a google earth of the area that someone posted and saw alot of agricultural area around the plants which was providing some sort of living for the people who have now, nothing but cardboard enclosures in a gym... sad sad
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:03:50 PM

  • Nancy.. I wonder if the tide would turn had there been extremly high contamination and rad levels in TOKYO...
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:05:03 PM

  • hello bo
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:05:13 PM

  • @dean some of the comments to the media from the farmers in the region was they were hit with a double problem. Lost homes and lost jobs that were tied to the land ownership. Much harder to become re-employed than an office worker plus a lost business investment.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:05:20 PM

  • @bo it is the best way forward once they get the attention then hopefully those speaking on their behalf will raise the air/food/etc aspect
    by elainekirk 5/4/2011 12:05:31 PM

  • I don't know if the WHO or another agency could put enough pressure to open a 50km voluntary zone. Esp. for those with children.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:06:56 PM

  • I see no reason why those in the zone have not been fully compensated or at least an interim payment that enable them to relocate, all they have had so far is a token gesture which will merely sustain them and will be used as an excuse to delay any final settlement
    by elainekirk 5/4/2011 12:07:27 PM

  • I have a question for bo, in japan is there any success when citizens protest in numbers to some condition within the country that affects so many people..
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:07:28 PM

  • @bo, do you feel like your getting accurate info on food safety where you are? The govt. in the US won't officially test seafood here and only did a few tests on milk. They keep claiming there is no reason to test.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:08:13 PM

  • twitter.com!/blnkyjetninja We must save our children, but our government keeps lying to us and makes them exposed to radiation. Any way we can stop this? #fukushima
    this person i seems has joined twitter in the hope of finding support what about a hashtag that could be used to bond them all?
    by elainekirk 5/4/2011 12:10:09 PM

  • Nancy.. one thing I see is that testing is so sporadic up and down the coast, sometimes pushed to quiet people's fears or, if pressed to help sales quota's for produce, meat, etc. I wonder what would happen if the EPA cameout and said.. NO ONE is to drink water up and down the west coast.
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:10:41 PM

  • @elainekirk We are over 2 months now. They have got to get people out of shelters and into some better temporary housing. They are going to need more assistance getting their lives back together. I heard comments earlier out of the govt. about worries of the economic output of that region is at risk. They seem more worried about salvaging the economic engine of the region than the people there.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:10:43 PM

  • @nancy you got it in a nutshell there
    by elainekirk 5/4/2011 12:11:18 PM

  • @elainekirk get someone to start #fukushimachildren. Maybe we need to get some of the data we have together and start feeding it through twitter on #fukushima and point people to #fukushimachildren. We could also get a page online with more info. There is a way to set up twitter bots to send out certain messages periodically.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:12:31 PM

  • nancy.. its almost like.. go back home.. work the fields until you drop dead and keep the supply of
    contaminated goods
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:13:02 PM

  • @nancy ok I will start retweeting with #fukushimachildren
    by elainekirk 5/4/2011 12:13:17 PM

  • @Nancy absolutely not. There is no information about food safety here. And since some dairies that were initially kept from bringing products to market have since been allowed to, there is little reason to be assured. There is a lot of talk here, in the press as well as person to person, about the need to "support" the farmers, fishermen and dairies in the stricken area, even though no one says they would knowingly buy products from Fukushima. I am convinced that what will happen is that these products will simply find their way into processed foods where we are unable to identify the sources.
    by bo 5/4/2011 12:13:27 PM

  • @dean it is exactly like that. This leaves part of the population stuck in the middle.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:13:39 PM

  • @bo oh that is so not reassuring. :-( Do you have the ability to "buy local" like at farmers markets where your at?
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:14:37 PM

  • bo.. do they put nutritional information on your food their like in the USA.
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:14:37 PM

  • next thing you will see Geiger counters at the produce stands in stores and milk stands to check the milk... and personal hand held ones incorporated into cell phones for checking things
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:15:42 PM

  • I can just see it in next generation cell phones... scan your own option...
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:16:44 PM

  • @dean they do, but personally I don't read Japanese. I have learned the kanji for each prefecture so I can tell in terms of produce. There is a LOT of pressure to support the farmers there and purchase goods from there. @Nancy there aren't really farmers markets here, but they do promote local produce, and everyone is flocking towards those things. That is why I am convinced the food from up there will end up in processed food.
    by bo 5/4/2011 12:16:51 PM

  • @dean at least in the US there was pressure from the population that there was fear about food. The US went on a campaign to tell people everything was fine and to ignore the issue.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:17:11 PM

  • I have noticed people standing and looking at the produce, and reading labels (like a health food store in the 70s) which I never saw here before. Everyone is worried, but there is little information to go by
    by bo 5/4/2011 12:17:48 PM

  • maybe we lobby the FDA in USA to add radioactivity check levels on food nutritional labeling..
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:18:18 PM

  • I think that everywhere, and especially here in Japan, we are very dependent on the govt. providing extensive monitoring. That is not happening, and I have heard no public calls for it here. Clearly it is not happening in the states. It is one of the most proactive things we can do to protect public health and the governments don't seem inclined to do it on their own.
    by bo 5/4/2011 12:19:55 PM

  • @bo I think your right that it will end up in processed food. There have been a number of food issues in the US where people learned there was risk and started shunning or buying certain items to avoid that risk. Corn syrup was a big one here and a couple of big name products changed their formulas or offered a cane sugar based alternative. There are other examples but the same channels that are not govt. seem to get enough public pressure built.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:20:10 PM

  • @dean @bo, seems the same mentality everywhere. They tell people to ignore it and don't test. I think we will need to push with other groups together and make the FDA test. The "our models don't show any risk" is BS they used that as an excuse to not test here. We need to get some sort of push to test it to prove your right. Maybe something along the same lines could happen in Japan?
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:22:22 PM

  • @nancy #4 this site thinks it was on fire earlier video . enenews.com
    by elainekirk 5/4/2011 12:22:47 PM

  • I have been telling my friends here who wonder what to do that they should avoid processed food and try to eat as low on the food chain as possible. Hiroshima is on the Seto inland sea and people prefer small fish here since they are fresher. They also will have less radiation concentrated in them than fish higher up on the food chain. These are little steps but some of the only things available to us.
    by bo 5/4/2011 12:22:58 PM

  • @Nancy @bo @dean @all g'morn nancy can you put the #1 blueprint link up so that I can ask bo to try and get All of the title box translated.. @bo if she can is it possble to get this information.... the title box is the bottem right corner.... all those little houses should give exact identication as to the drawing info... its rather important for "document verifiacation"
    by fitter 5/4/2011 12:23:51 PM

  • @fitter Good morning. I can get it translated, but probably not until midday on Friday (Wed night here). Tomorrow is (wait for it)...children's day (actually boy'
    s day) so my friends are all away from work. Back in the office on Friday and can get it done then.
    by bo 5/4/2011 12:27:59 PM

  • I have to slip away for a bit.. will return tho.. very interesting topic today .. .
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:28:51 PM

  • gm fitter.. any help needed right off?
    by dean 5/4/2011 12:29:17 PM

  • I have got two going with the hashtag #fukushimachildren and I added the article @bo sent into the last tweet lets hope it spreads
    by elainekirk 5/4/2011 12:30:01 PM

  • @dean no just checking back pages while having coffee... but i did enjoy trhe birds this moring
    by fitter 5/4/2011 12:30:15 PM

  • @bo No rush, acuracy more important... bad data in bad data out... I just don't know how to post the drawing so that you can get it???
    by fitter 5/4/2011 12:32:02 PM

  • I think we should get with some of the others on the list that have been working on the radiation levels and personal risk protection tactics today and get some basic info together. We can set up a single page somewhere for now with all the info listed. I will see how to set up a twitter bot. We can send that info out in English and Japanese periodically and push people to that page for more info. Things like how to filter your water to make it safe etc.
    by Nancy 5/4/2011 12:32:14 PM

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