Japan Earthquake

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@Nancy @elainekirk Thank you for your kind suggestions. Organizing with like-minded parents would be desirable. It is something we have tentatively tried but maybe need to push a bit more. Failing that, not using the school is certainly something we will have to consider.
by Will 5/4/2011 1:30:36 PM

@ALL DATA I'm looking for. A couple days ago there was a link, possibly from MEXT, that showed radioactivity sampling, 1 cm radiation reading and 1 meter radiation reading at the same discrete locations. A beer and a free trip to Disney for the first person to come up with the PDF:)
by RBeaner 5/4/2011 1:32:45 PM

They finally are doing something to improve conditions for the workers. Fresh food, showers, beds online.wsj.com
by Nancy 5/4/2011 1:33:21 PM

@ Nancy thanks for looking. Can you tell me what building is on the far left? It was smoking or steaming last night.
by ch 5/4/2011 1:33:26 PM

Hi all, sorry to be gone for a few. Busy working on an upcoming exhibition I am staging with my Australian colleague at Cornell in Sept. of images of a nuclear attack on NYC. Our first image is from Aug 7, 1945. @Nancy, got the image and will work on having it translated as soon as possible, hopefully on Friday (here). @Will I very much understand your concerns. I have the great luxury of not having young children (all in the their 20s and not in Japan). I don't know of any possible path besides public distress and demands of govt. monitoring and detailed information. None of us is in a position to determine these things, or control these things on our own.
by bo 5/4/2011 1:33:43 PM

@ch In the current live shot #4 is on the right with steam rolling out the right side. #3 is left of that behind the tower, hard to see because there isn't much left. #2 is left of 3 and has the intact blue walls. #1 is the furthest left. It has intact building for the lower part and the exposed gridwork for the upper level.
by Nancy 5/4/2011 1:35:23 PM

The major media blackout continues...

The BBC's 'Special Report' section on the Japan earthquake hasn't seen an updated article since April 22nd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12711226)
by Askwhy 5/4/2011 1:38:04 PM

@Nancy ty I have a hard time with id pics. Your work is awesome!
by ch 5/4/2011 1:38:56 PM

...hit enter too soon

ABC, CBS -- Still no links to Japan anything, or mention of the word even on their home pages abcnews.go.com www.cbsnews.com

The story continues to get buried..
by Askwhy 5/4/2011 1:40:04 PM

@RBeaner: www.mext.go.jp is the directory for these 1m and 1cm readings, lets you look at them for different days
by Markfm 5/4/2011 1:40:57 PM

A) Thousands of refugees can't go home (or have no home to go to)
B) The country's electrical infrastructure remains compromised
C) There is an international nuclear crisis unfolding

D) No news coverage!?!?!!?
by Askwhy 5/4/2011 1:43:23 PM

Workers set to enter reactor 1 building search.japantimes.co.jp 8 workers, scheduled for Thursday. Need to verify that containment pressure and RPV water depth readings are correct before they can work on the new cooling system to drive RPV temp down.
by Markfm 5/4/2011 1:47:26 PM

@Markfm Very close, but the ones I recollect had Sample radioactivity at the same point. I am trying to establsh the amount of air radioactivity contribution to dose rate vs. the ground (sample/soil/dust) raddioactivity. TY though No Beer and Disney for you:)
by RBeaner 5/4/2011 1:47:27 PM

If people who have already researched the "protect yourself" tactics could help me put together a temporary page with short explanations of what to do? There was discussion earlier today to send some of this out via twitter and also to start another hashtag of #fukushimachildren to help get safety information out. I am going to try to set up a twitter bot to periodically send out information but need help compiling all that info. I have a start on an FAQ page as a temporary thing until we get the website up and running. fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com
by Nancy 5/4/2011 1:48:42 PM

Hachiko Coalition rescuing animals from the evac zone, estimated 10,000 animals may have been left behind. www.sfgate.com
by Nancy 5/4/2011 1:49:54 PM

Found this gem in that article. Contact form for the prime minister's office! You can send them a message. :-) www.kantei.go.jp
by Nancy 5/4/2011 1:51:04 PM

Overall, the various environmental data sets are here: www.mext.go.jp
by Markfm 5/4/2011 1:51:15 PM

Here is a Letter from Fukushima members5.boardhost.com
by elainekirk 5/4/2011 1:55:04 PM

@Nancy This site/advice will be aimed at japan only? Concerns in US are wholly different/negligable.
by RBeaner 5/4/2011 1:57:29 PM

@RBeaner This info would be directed at people in Japan via twitter. Information being worked on for the US would be different
by Nancy 5/4/2011 1:59:11 PM

@askwhy it really is down to people on the ground the media are all dwelling in the pockets of business world
by elainekirk 5/4/2011 2:00:04 PM

I've been following your posts with a lot of interest since going through the earthquake in Tokyo. Thought you might like to see how a children's environmental magazine in New Delhi is covering things, including Fukushima: www.gobartimes.org
by rezdog edited by elainekirk 5/4/2011 2:01:23 PM

@elainekirk that seems to be the case. From my little journal of notes the other night, I jotted down the following:

Trying to convince family and friends that there is more going on than they are being led to believe is proving quite difficult. They seem mostly nonplussed by the information I have been able to gather and present.

Why is it so hard for some people to accept that peer review by 'community experts' is not meaningless simply because their efforts are not being shown on television, or reported in the press?

Individuals who work in advanced technical fields are normal people too. They go home at the end of the day and they hop on the internet to communicate with other people. They also retire from their careers at some point, and take their expertise with them into retirement where they have much more time for research and discussion (and reflection).

Individuals with insight and expertise are examining the information that is being provided, and cross-referencing this information. They are reviewing each other's findings, and discussing the results -- attempting to distill the truth. This is the valid foundation of the scientific method.

That the media and the so-called 'experts' they employ or promote are doing *less* number crunching than those in the community is devastatingly sad. That the community results are being dismissed simply because they haven't been presented in a more validated forum is inexcusable.

We ignore the truth at our own great peril...
by Askwhy 5/4/2011 2:03:32 PM

Oyasumi nasai, goodnight all from Hiroshima
by bo 5/4/2011 2:06:43 PM

@ask why I think we should take up Nancy's suggestion and create a 'protect yourself ' page @rezdog ty for the article @bo goodnight @all must go cut grass
by elainekirk 5/4/2011 2:07:30 PM

@Askwhy If we ever doubted the economic power of the energy cartel, we need look no further than this.
by radioguy 5/4/2011 2:07:52 PM

@radioguy can you take some of the statements from your page at the station and tweak the a bit to apply to Japan? We are trying to get some simple protect yourself steps together and send them out via twitter with a link back to more details. I started a page to get the info together on the FAQ fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com Bo and others were discussing this morning what it is like in Japan right now with food and water safety. Information is not getting out and the govt. is brushing the entire issue under the rug.
by Nancy 5/4/2011 2:10:50 PM

Thought you might want to see how Gobar Times, an environmental magazine for kids based in New Delhi, is trying to explain the earthquake and Fukushima to children in India: www.gobartimes.org
by rezdog 5/4/2011 2:13:28 PM

@rezdog thank you for posting that. It seemed rather honest for a children's article. That is a good thing.
by Nancy 5/4/2011 2:14:31 PM

Appreciate all your posts here. I've been following on and off since I was in Tokyo during the earthquake.
by rezdog 5/4/2011 2:15:38 PM

@Nancy agreed -- straightforward without pulling any punches.
@rezdog thanks for that great link. That's another story I am going to have to drag around with me for a day or two to show people who are having 'issues' absorbing this information...
by Askwhy 5/4/2011 2:16:59 PM

by marie rich via I1207.photobucket 5/4/2011 2:26:32 PM

www.meti.go.jp
by marie rich 5/4/2011 2:27:08 PM

Marie -- the English version #125 graphs and table are available (check the pinned list). Here's the main table: www.nisa.meti.go.jp
by Markfm 5/4/2011 2:31:39 PM

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by marie rich 5/4/2011 2:33:18 PM

@Nancy All Sorrows for the people of Japan, in their time of crisis....

1. 20 mSv/yr is too much for children. Your government is showing a lack of concern for your childrens health. Control Levels should be implemented, vice limits, keeping radiation exposure of all As Low As Reasonably Achievable (ALARA). Control levels are (step) levels) designed to bring additional scrutiny to the radiation received.

2. Exposure will decrease as the short half-lived isotopes decay away, this is good. The longer half-lived nuclides will wash away and also become contained in plants, crops and grasses. Avoid these plants, crops and grasses in all areas with increased radioactivity.

2. Demand representative sampling of all local produce, seafood and meat from affected areas. Any food showing greater than approximateley 170 Bq/Kg should be removed from food stream and disposed as very Low Level Radioactive Waste. The idea is to remove these concentraters from your fields.

3. 1 micro-Sievert per hour for 24 hours for 365 days a year equals 8,760 micro Sievert/year, equals 8.76 milli-Sievert per year. This is not unreasonably high, many people are exposed to this due to background radiation levels.

4. 5 micro-Sievert per hour for 24 hours for 365 days a year equals 43,800 micro Sievert/year, equals 43.8 milli-Sievert per year. This IS unreasonably high. This would be Twice the dose a normal radiation worker could obtain in the course of their Nuclear Occupation.

5. Based on my observations, anything greater than about 1 micro-Sievert/hour is a place I don't want to stay (if the levels remain high, remember these levels will decrease with time if control of the nuclear plants is achieved).

6. Here is data current as of May 02, 2011 www.mext.go.jp
by RBeaner 5/4/2011 2:38:50 PM

@RBeaner Thanks, added that to the info pool.
by Nancy 5/4/2011 2:41:21 PM

Has anyone determined if checking produce with a geiger counter is effective or not?
by Nancy 5/4/2011 2:42:08 PM

@Nancy watch the latest fairewinds video he said not so effective
by Angie 5/4/2011 2:48:04 PM

@Nancy Here's an article about it www.bloomberg.com
by marie rich 5/4/2011 2:49:12 PM

@nancy @all if I might comment on the "tweeter concept" before attaching this concept to the scribble site... 1) i do think we need to address a "name" 2) seeing how this is Geoege's site, if the info is going to attach back to "this" site it should probably be sanctioned by george and also have a "outline" before transmiting.. I say this because there is a very fine line between 1) educational information and "bias" educational infromation... 2) I firmily belive the truth is not being told, but also have seen that there are times (my self included) when we have started to interject a "negative" front.... verses a "educational site..... 3) I do not know what georges long term plans are for this site.. I belive it could be very proactive in the movment of "safer nuclear energy", but i fear as more negitiness is interjected into the post and Lack of verification of information passed on or used the long term effect could be the downfall of our credibilty... exanple... they are more and more post with no original links to "verify" were the info is coming from... to assume everyone here has the same goal would not be my opionin... finally just because there is a link or a article.. i feel the "intent" of the original source must be considered..... anyone can and does put stuff on the internet... that does not make it correct... I have heard newscaster form msnbc... use the containment building as interchangable with the reactor.. its the lack of education and the "newsmoggling" ........THERE is a fine line between informing and creating panic.... in conclusion, (now that I have probably pissed everyone off) I do agree with the concept as I understand it.. but would like to see it have a road map and constraints or else we become what, what we are aganist The article from India was very informative but not opinunated..
by fitter 5/4/2011 2:51:40 PM

Fukushima sees only incremental improvement: NRC www.reuters.com "while we have not seen or predicted any new significant challenges to safety at the site, we have only seen incremental improvements toward stabilizing the reactors and spent fuel pools"
by Markfm 5/4/2011 2:52:06 PM

@marie rich TY for getting the article about it!
by Angie 5/4/2011 2:53:33 PM

@fitter agreed. I will run anything that we put together through channels first for approval.
by Nancy 5/4/2011 2:54:30 PM

@Nancy
The 20 mSV limit particularly distresses me. At every level of my professional life was the consideration

of ALARA (As Low As Reasonably Achievable). We instituted Control Levels at 5 mSV/yr for NUCLEAR WORKERS.

The average radiation exposure for US nuclear radiation workers has been around 3.6 milli-Sieverts per

year. Alot of studies are based on the average nuclear worker with no biological effect (no decreased

life expectancy or increased cancer shown), but for higher levels of exposure, the results become more

ambigious, until you get to definite, acute effects, > 10 rem or 100 mSv short term exposure.
by RBeaner 5/4/2011 2:55:03 PM