Updated plant work. They started adding an anti-corrosive to #4 sfp and did some water moving around. Changed a water connection to #3 www.tepco.co.jp
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:00:12 PM
@LM I have spent $1,200 on air and water purification systems since this began. I had a 10-day period of apparent radiation symptoms, and I am taking care of a sick cat who had a seizure.
by Bobby1 5/9/2011 4:03:19 PM
@Nancy "There will be some good discoveries and probably a few "misses" as we dig through information."
Hey, that sounds like the scientific method.
by radioguy 5/9/2011 4:04:24 PM
@LM I have slightly changed my habits. We already drink filtered or distilled water because our water quality is awful. We are planning on adding a whole house filter. Since these water filtration things were already being considered for other reasons I see it as an abundance of caution that won't hurt anything. I worry about California lettuce and spinach since they were finding low levels and there really is no testing going on. I did notice something odd related to seafood. We were looking for such yesterday and there is a major lack of supply, many freezers and fish counters low on stock or completely out. Snow crab was impossible to find. Many of the odd fish steaks like tuna etc were nowhere to be found. Shrimp was limited to Thai and South American farmed. Total absence of Chinese, Russian or USA seafood.
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:04:32 PM
@bobby1 @Nancy I would probably try to upgrade my water filtration and would love a home air filter..just haven't had the money. I honestly think regardless of the Japan situation it's a good idea to do those things. I do pay more attention to cleaning my fruits and vegetables now!
by LM 5/9/2011 4:08:21 PM
@Nancy To me, the biggie so far is food chain accumulation. Before Berkeley NUC went away to their conference last week, milk had been doing nothing but going up. Now we have no readings ince 5/2 BEST BY date. And yet, it never once went down. Given the accumulation at grass clump level of CS, and the amount cows eat, I have NO faith in milk right now.
by radioguy 5/9/2011 4:08:30 PM
Ironically, given Cs water-solubility, whole-fat table cream may suddenly be better for you than skim milk.
by radioguy 5/9/2011 4:11:51 PM
@radioguy I am slightly less worried about milk in the Midwest but if I was in CA I would be concerned about it. The shut down of milk testing by the EPA is a problem because of the delay in accumulation of long lived isotopes.
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:12:02 PM
@radioguy And that was just Berkeley. There are 65,000 dairy farms in the US. How many of these farms are located in hotspots? If they don't test, how can you know it is safe? And if you don't have assurance it is safe, how can you give any milk to a child?
by Bobby1 5/9/2011 4:12:24 PM
@LM My concern about air is if we get another big release. It is already getting hot here, running the AC constantly is extremely expensive, leaving the windows open blows everything in the house due to the constant high winds. Combine that with a large release or if we start to get high levels in the soil...I wondered about making some sort of window HEPA filters. :-) I would still be much more worried about people in Japan having this kind of protection.
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:14:17 PM
@Bobby1 ""I have spent $1,200 on air and water purification systems since this began. I had a 10-day period of apparent radiation symptoms, and I am taking care of a sick cat who had a seizure"" Are you living inside Daichi, or somewhere close?
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 4:15:31 PM
@Nancy I won't deny I've been nervous opening my windows lately. Almost all of them face due west. We live 5 minutes from the pacific. I hate vacuuming but I must admit I need to step up efforts and think about a quality air filtration system. I can't afford to use my ac either.
by LM 5/9/2011 4:18:00 PM
Somewhere between 2:45 (EQ hit) and 5:35pm on Mar 11, Reactor 1 had coolant loss issues. "For Unit 1, the emergency core cooling system automatically started up due to increase in the reactor containment pressure assumed to be caused by leakage of reactor coolant in the reactor containment." So things were leaking post EQ and tsunami but before the blast, This was only hours after the quake, not really time for things to have heated up totally out of control. www.tepco.co.jp
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:19:27 PM
The set of reaedings that did it for me war RIGHT before they stopped testing. Rainfall spikes the soil, but spikes the grass 5 times higher. Five days later milk Cs isotopes in milk go up again. Then there are NO more readings. So our last sets of Cs-137 in milk, just before stopping, go: .099, .16, .21, .44, .44, .49 and then it stops stop.
And that milk was a 5/2 *BEST BY* date, not a collection date.
by radioguy 5/9/2011 4:19:31 PM
@RBeaner Near Baltimore, MD. I have an autoimmune disorder so I am more sensitive to this. In other words, I am a member of a "vulnerable subgroup" like fetuses, small children, cancer survivors who have received the max lifetime dose of radiation, and women. In other words, the majority of the population.
by Bobby1 5/9/2011 4:20:01 PM
@radioguy have you had anymore contact with Berkley to see if they are going to resume testing?
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:20:12 PM
@Nancy The entire place was a ghost town last week. New week. I'll try again.
by radioguy 5/9/2011 4:20:46 PM
@radioguy I think Berkley provides a good "canary in the coal mine" to fill in the EPA gaps. IE: Berkley finds something significant could be a warning to us and a reason to push the EPA and FDA to get back to work.
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:24:27 PM
@Nancy I don't have any faith that Berkeley will continue monitoring. But like I said, it's just Berkeley. North America is a big place.
by Bobby1 5/9/2011 4:27:22 PM
@Nancy That aricle was a good pull, but what we are really seeking is any plant conidtion or action between about 245 and 215 Japan time. By 5:30, the Tsunami had already come and gone.
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 4:28:11 PM
@you sorry 2: 45 and 3:15, my understanding is the Tsunami hit Fuku about 3:15
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 4:29:55 PM
@RBeaner I was told there was an hour between. Need to go check I guess.
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:30:41 PM
@RBeaner Looking for such as I go through TEPCO's press releases that day, looking for hints. Looking at the post Tsunami DigitalGlobe picture it was unlikely the Tsunami knocked out internal coolant pipes. Not sure about what is in the turbine buildings (the loop that runs in there), would need to go back and look at locations etc. The bulk of the torn up damage seems to be the dock area.
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:32:48 PM
Who would TEPCO be required to give SCRAM data to? METI?
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:34:28 PM
Now I am totally confused. This says they had offsite power as of March 12 before the explosions? I thought the tsunami knocked out all outside power? www.tepco.co.jp
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:40:24 PM
@Nancy Scrams are not frequent, but they are not that unusual. It is a regular part of business/operation, especially in high quake areas. The answer is they probably give NOONE outside TEPCO detailed data on scram parameters. Including METI and NISA, it will be in-house and just decribed as an automatic scram from safety features.
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 4:41:15 PM
@Nancy Yeah that is odd, and apparently incorrect about off-site power. Another thing is I believe they had two workers unaccounted for (later found dead) from the tsunami. So multiple errors in that release. How can we determine through internet posting the actual day this release was posted, preventing later edits for the post with same top line dates.
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 4:45:35 PM
@Nancy: I think Mar 12th is the date of publication, data are refered to Mar 11th 2:48 PM (JST), just before tsunami.
by estacion 5/9/2011 4:47:44 PM
I can't believe they've waited this long......'Government to monitor Strontium Levels'. www3.nhk.or.jp
by LM 5/9/2011 4:48:03 PM
Remember that automatic shutdown was triggered by EQ, no tsunami.
by estacion 5/9/2011 4:48:39 PM
@estacion right, the question is what caused some of the pre-blast damage.
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:49:22 PM
@estacion I know what it says on the HTML, the question is when was it first generated, has it been edited... I just don't know or remember. This could have been confusion at the beginning, but I think WE would have caught the "off-site power provided" issue/mistake......ALERT @Nanacy, that was Daini, not Daiichi, didn't catch earlier...TY Estacion for remindindg me of my sceptiscism....:)
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 4:52:09 PM
@estacion not totally sure. Those are reports they issued every few hours. The "we have power" statement was new as of that report. Not sure of the context they are trying by adding it in, if it is as of that report or back tracking and adding it in, meaning at the time of the quake. But they previously state power was out and they went to generators and then the generators go out.
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:53:34 PM
@RBeaner thanks! Half awake and trying to sort data. :-)
by Nancy 5/9/2011 4:54:20 PM
@Bobby1 Whatever the surrounding industry affiliations (past/side careers for the profs, future careers for the students) the University is an educational institution, and this is a real-world and RARE experimental and metric teaching (and learning) opportunity. I find it hard to believe, having come from that mind-set early on, that they won't continue to monitor as long as there is data to derive and methodology to teach.
by radioguy 5/9/2011 4:54:25 PM
LOL what's with these complicated foriegn words anyway. Can't they speak American...LOL
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 4:54:27 PM
When tsunami got NPP transformers, diesel generators were swept away, only battery power remainded, but this was clearly insuficient to maintain correct coolant flow.
by estacion 5/9/2011 4:54:38 PM
@estacion That report was Daini,.. NOT Daichi, we screwed up scrutinizing it...sorry.
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 4:55:53 PM
@radioguy I hope you're right.
by Bobby1 5/9/2011 4:58:38 PM
@Nancy Still looking for Geological and Ground Surveys at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station supposed to be done in late 2007 into early 2008, found their implementation plan, but no results of the survey.
by Jim 5/9/2011 4:59:45 PM
@RBeaner Try Google Search with specified dates. knock it down to the one day. see if you can find it on that day.
by radioguy 5/9/2011 5:02:34 PM
@Bobby1 I do too. I have to believe I am. By the end of the week I hope to know for sure.
by radioguy 5/9/2011 5:03:26 PM
@Bobby1 My sister, a nephew (only one:), and niece live in CA. I have a basic knowledge of radiation and its effects on people, I am not worried. Look it up and learn so you too can live a life unworried by these far away events. I propose you look at BEIR studies (Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation) www.nap.edu and then you might have more knowledge to assess. These studies aren't necessarily the end point, but they are a great place to start for peer reviewed, time proven scientific studies.
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 5:04:03 PM
"Influenza-like illness (ILI), also known as acute respiratory infection (ARI) and flu-like syndrome... Symptoms commonly include fever, shivering, chills, malaise, dry cough, loss of appetite, body aches and nausea, typically in connection with a sudden onset of illness." Here is a graph of incidence of ILI in the southwestern US. www.cdc.gov