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@Peter Melzer the isunami took out three tanks i believe, but don't read japenese and can not confirm the ifo on it being three and what they were and what systems they would have effected... will try and confirm as much as i can later

@Peter Melzer Outside the buildings or inside? My understanding is they are not constantly venting out the stack. So why they were using that as a measurement vs. in the buildings or in containment I don't know. My understanding is the vent stack was only for when they had to vent?

@Nancy there are sevral "vent systems" each doing there own thing... I looked at a vent systm last night that I can clearly see, but can not understand its feed direcly from the reactor building to the outside without going to a srubber or stack

@RBeaner @all My Opinion: FWIW I think if there is anything in the world researched more than this, I don't know what it is. Biological systems heal themselves to low levels of ionizing radiation because it is in the natural environment. The effects of ingesting radioactive substances is far less clear. But it is bad in any case and that's why I worry about the ocean. You can pretty much forget about what's in the air if you are away from that location at any reasonable distance.

@Nancy European Committee on Radiation Risk www.euradcom.org
ECRR 2010 recommendations www.euradcom.org

@Jim Except as rainfall washes it out into the soil, and grass and natural accumulators (like grazers) concentrate it and put it into nice deliverable water and oil based extracts we like to call milk. (Or burgers or whatever)

@Peter Melzer We really need to get back to citing source documents. If we don't start with fact, all built up theory will be BS. This document www.tepco.co.jp says at 3:41 all AC power was lost due to diesal damage from tsunami. Please cite sources even this late in the game.

@RBeaner ty i have media reports stating such, but with out further conformation would not like to post because its not a media source i trust as actual vs hype

@Bobby1 Yes, and having lived through the 50's & 60's testing, and everything since, lived in the shadow of Sandia Labs for a decade, and within 15 miles of Rocky Flats for 25 years, I figure I've accumulated some. I for one, am not swayed by the "It hasn't raised the incidence of related cancers above background" argument, because we have no idea what the background would have been without all of the atomic (and chemical) abuse we've inflicted on our ecosystems.

@fitter are you needing to print single page things or big blueprint format?

@Bobby1 Whack a Mole the ECCRS is a commitee, doesn't have anything to do with science

@Nancy single pics, but the printers here are all tied togrther an all three of the computos i use to come here with use different software.... I should have looked at the ad for windos 7 before i agreed to it there is no one over 25 in the ad and i told the tech guy to dump as much video as possible, my buisess programs take a lot of space

@RBeaner: If you get bored at anytime, here is an enlightening
reading.
ECRR 2006: CHERNOBYL 20 YEARS AFTER
...Since 1986, in the USSR, life expectancy has noticeably decreased. On average, infant
mortality has noticeably increased, as well as death rates for those of advanced ages. There
is no proof of a direct connection between these parameters and the Chernobyl catastrophe,
but there is proof of such connections for particular polluted territories.
After 1986, in the radioactively polluted areas of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia,
there is an increase in general mortality by comparison with neighboring areas (Grodzinsky,
1999; Omelianetz, et al., 2001; Kashirina, 2005; Sergeeva et al., 2005).
An increase in the number of stillbirths, correlating with the level of pollution, is
noted for of some areas of Ukraine (Kulakov et al., 1993) and Belarus (Golovko, Izhevsky,
1996). The number of spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) has noticeably increased in
some polluted territories of Russia. By some estimates, the number of miscarriages and
stillbirths as a result of radioactive pollution in Ukraine has reached 50,000 (Lipik, 2004).
In some European countries an increase in perinatal mortality connected with the
Chernobyl catastrophe has been revealed (see Korblein paper in this book). After 1987 an
increase in infant and children's mortality is noted in the polluted areas of Ukraine
(Omelianetz, Klement’eva, 2001) and Russia (Utka et al., 2005). Presented in Table 1 is
one example of such mortality in one Russian area...

www.euradcom.org

@RBeaner think nancy was refering to the venting system,

@Nancy venting systemSSSSSSSSSSSS... is very complex from what i am seing, without more info at the moment and lack of translation i am at a standstill on clearifying what they call vents....

@RBeaner You can't declare anything done by a committee to be null and void just because you dislike the process. Take it with a grain of salt, sure. Take it with a bigger grain of salt based on the group's reputation or track record, of course.

@Nancy big problem is its all *** now and goggle is putting out errounious translation in my opionion... there are no hospital an nurses in the tech items i have been looking at, but google thinks so.... tech info does not seem to go very well in some of the stuff.... and in my buisness the smaller its writen, usually he more iportant it i

@Nancy i have no ideal why the post just got edited i did not use any swear words

@fitter Google translation is really wonky. I have gotten used to trying to read between the lines, it will put in odd words like "nurse" when the real meaning was something like "repair" or a repair technician etc. Some are easy to figure out and others are just too unclear. I am not sure if there are more accurate computer translation tools.

@Nancy in spec's to be correct you can NOT read between the lines, thats what is leading me to believe that some data my be corrupted..... the japenes lang is revese to begin with... and it really complicates the matter

Looking over BEIR VII slide on ionizing radiation...significant cancer increases in adults exposed to over 100 millisieverts and 10 millisieverts for children in utero. Didn't they up the max for children to 20 millisieverts in Japan? Not good! Just my 2 cents...as someone in the science field...every study should be considered but must be re-evaluated wIth the adveNt of new technologies and more info. The BEIR might be considered the Gold standard but as it is in science, it might not remain so forever. We learn more as time goes by....at least I'd like to think so. www.health.wyo.gov