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  • ty elaine
    by dean 5/17/2011 12:07:59 AM

  • @Nancy, right, the IR imagery shows hot spots seemingly around the reactor, suggesting leaks, but not being wide open. Good observation about the speed of the steam probably coming from reactor 3 as a sing of particle opening, but not wide open.
    by Ian 5/17/2011 12:08:15 AM

  • @Edano Old data says 20th. There was something out in news articles in recent days mentioning noticeable pressure drops on the 16th. They were not fully clear if they meant RPV only or outer containment also and if the drop was down to atmosphere on the 16th.
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:08:32 AM

  • www.nytimes.com

    Japanese Officials Ignored or Concealed Dangers
    by radioguy 5/17/2011 12:10:53 AM

  • @Nancy : very good. this seems more plausible. this may be the week of truth.
    by Edano 5/17/2011 12:10:57 AM

  • Wish I remembered where that video of the strange yellow-looking object at U3 is. Can't believe how I fail to make good note of so much I come across, I'd like to look at that again.
    by Ian 5/17/2011 12:11:49 AM

  • @Ian I may have it. Let me see if my website access is back online
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:15:49 AM

  • @all.. any one have a fast time of when #1 exploded? want to check against my numbers
    by dean 5/17/2011 12:17:26 AM

  • @all Good Morning...Good Evening...Hello
    by smoss 5/17/2011 12:19:42 AM

  • @Ian, found it www.houseoffoust.com

    by Nancy via Houseoffoust 5/17/2011 12:20:41 AM

  • hi Smoss
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:20:58 AM

  • @dean are you looking for a data based time or a declared time to the press?
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:21:36 AM

  • @dean March 12 15:36 Japan time
    by Bobby1 5/17/2011 12:21:39 AM

  • ty ...
    by dean 5/17/2011 12:23:03 AM

  • wanted data based time but the 15:36will work
    isn't it in the bcr doc?


    by dean edited by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:23:47 AM

  • will be back in a bit
    by dean 5/17/2011 12:23:51 AM

  • @Nancy why the power failed 3 pics www.tepco.co.jp

    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:27:52 AM

  • @elainekirk That is Ginormous :-O
    by Veenie 5/17/2011 12:28:43 AM

  • Related to the "what happened on the 16th with pressure" I found this. Doesn't answer the question but gives some good data related to it. Also sounds like the smoke shows. "Unit 3(Shut down)
    -Reactor has been shut down. However, the explosive sound and white smoke
    were confirmed at 11:01am Mar 14th. It was assumed to be hydrogen
    explosion.
    -At 8:30am on March 16th, fog like steam was confirmed arising from the
    reactor building.
    -At approximately 6:15 am on March 17th the pressure of the Suppression
    Chamber has temporarily increased. We were preparing to implement a
    measurement to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessel
    (partial discharge of air containing radioactive material to outside) in
    order to fully secure safety. However, at present, it is not a situation
    to take a measure immediately to discharge air containing radioactive
    material to outside now. We will continue to monitor the status of the
    pressure of the reactor containment vessel.
    -At approximately 4:00 pm, March 21st, light gray smoke was confirmed
    arising from the floor roof of the Unit 3 building. On March 22nd, the
    color of smoke changed to somewhat white and it is slowly dissipating.
    -At approximately 10:45 pm on March 22nd, the light in the main control
    room was turned on.
    -At around 4:20 pm on March 23rd, our staff confirmed light black smoke
    belching from the Unit 3 building. At approximately 11:30 pm on March
    23rd and 4:50 am on March 24th, our employee found no signs of smoke.
    -We have been injecting sea water into the reactor pressure vessel."
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:29:44 AM

  • Was Fukushima a China Syndrome?
    ecocentric.blogs.time.com
    "
    Anecdotal evidence doesn't bode well for how far the fuel melted: Tepco has been pumping thousands of tons of water onto reactor 1 to try to cool it—yet the water level in the containment vessel is too low to run an emergency cooling system. That means the water is escaping somewhere on a course cut by molten fuel--probably into the basement of the reactor building, though it's also possible it melted through everything into the earth."
    by Reed 5/17/2011 12:30:10 AM

  • @Elaine, is that new or did we just finally find it? Photos are March 23rd
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:30:54 AM

  • @nancy they have had to report on their loss of power to meti and these are the docs here is the explanation of power line failure
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:34:29 AM

  • @Edano: found this related to the 16th. I don't know what the pressure related to the previous pressure readings were. "# At 9:55AM on March 16, the pressure inside the reactor core was measured at 0.088 MPa. The water level inside the reactor core was measured at 1.9 meters below the top of the fuel rods.
    # At 11:32AM on March 16, the Japanese government announced that the possibility of significant damage to the primary containment vessel was low."
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:34:33 AM

  • @nancy the remains of the substation www.tepco.co.jp
    Lots of docs so I will trawl for ones that you can use build timeline
    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:39:23 AM

  • @elainekirk is this all new data dump stuff or things they had buried somewhere?
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:39:58 AM

  • @Nancy thx
    by Edano 5/17/2011 12:40:09 AM

  • The NYT article RadioGuy posted is a good read. Seems to outline much of the background Elaine found on Fuku.
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:41:31 AM

  • @Nancy that substation where is it ? is that a daini tower I see
    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:42:25 AM

  • @nancy they are from this report thought I had added link down there but oops www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:43:49 AM

  • This has them inspecting the line at 16.05???
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:45:29 AM

  • @all @dean they have a unit 1 explosion at 10am on the 12th does that tally with deans if someone can give him this when he comes back www.tepco.co.jp
    unit 1 - 10am on 12th
    11am on 13th

    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:47:59 AM

  • @elainekirk that sounds in the ballpark. I am grabbing all of these and saving them. Need to go through them for times. Will see if Dean wants me to add them to the time table in the shared doc in the morning my time.
    OK Nancy I will se what else I can find in other places now you have it just double checking you have main doc page www.tepco.co.jp
    by Nancy edited by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:50:49 AM

  • Tepco Rethinking Plan For Cooling Reactors

    TOKYO (Nikkei)--In light of indications that damage to the No. 1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is worse than expected, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501) is expected to take a fresh approach to cooling down the fuel rods by installing equipment to circulate water that has been pumped inside.

    The utility is scheduled to release on Tuesday a revised road map for bringing the reactors damaged by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami under control.

    The amount of water being pumped in has already been increased to 10 tons per hour. But the water that leaks out and builds up inside the reactor building is a concern.

    "Heat exchangers and equipment for removing radioactive substances are necessary for pumping in and circulating water," said Takashi Sawada, vice president of the Atomic Energy Society of Japan. "Unless there is removal (of radioactive substances), the contamination will spread and the ensuing work will become impossible to perform."

    If the fuel rods have breached the pressure vessel and reached the bottom of the containment vessel, installing the equipment will become more difficult. Bringing the situation under control could take longer than the initially envisioned six to nine months.

    Some have suggested pinpointing areas of the containment vessel that have sustained damage and making repairs with cement or other materials, but the radiation is so strong that workers cannot get close. Another proposal calls for circulating the contaminated water that has gathered in the basement, but this is also not possible because workers cannot enter the area.

    (The Nikkei May 17 morning edition)
    by Veenie 5/17/2011 12:51:36 AM

  • @elaine, that may be 5 & 6 in the power lines document. The tower doesn't have red stripes and the buildings have the clouds painted. IIRC Daini has a different paint scheme.
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:53:10 AM

  • @nancy ah right so at 16.05 they patrolled those line eh? that was bloody fast to say they evacced for tsunami which hit at 15.41
    I thought 5-6 then thought how the hell did patrol happen
    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:55:10 AM

  • @elainekirk 24 minutes. Unless 5 & 6 were above the tsunami and they had people there already I don't see how they could have.
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:56:56 AM

  • Japan: U.S. Agency to Stop Monitoring Nuclear Plant

    "The United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission said on Monday that its 24-hour operations center had stopped monitoring the nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant because the situation there had improved. “The conditions at the Japanese reactors are slowly stabilizing,” said William Borchardt, the agency’s chief staff official. “As conditions have continued to improve and the Japanese continue to implement their recovery plan, the N.R.C. has determined that it is time to adjust our response,” he said.
    www.nytimes.com
    by radioguy 5/17/2011 12:57:39 AM

  • @radioguy seriously?
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 12:59:37 AM

  • @nancy unless a full evac order wasnt given those two workers were parolling when tsunami hit but there was so much warning damn it all I was sat watching on comp news was round the world we had time to make coffee etc yet 2 men were caught and a patrol was on power line at 16.05 that dont sound like an evac happened
    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 12:59:40 AM

  • @elainekirk 5 & 6 are up higher but I don't know if they are up high enough to be considered a safe zone in a tsunami. I also don't know if 5 & 6 were over run by the water or not. We really don't hear anything about them. But unless it was a safe zone I can't see having people over there that quick.
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 1:04:59 AM

  • @radioguy WOW, guess, they sleep with the EPA !!
    by Veenie 5/17/2011 1:05:22 AM

  • @Radioguy WHAT?!?
    by Panserbjorne9 5/17/2011 1:07:48 AM

  • @radioguy OH yes US lets think for them
    ocean still heavily polluted
    radiation steaming into atmosphere
    Why dont they reword it?
    Tepco wont let us near the plant and Japan gov are powerless to intervene so we have given up
    if we push it Japan will cut us out of the joint deal we have with Mongolia wherby we have jointly agreed to build them an npp in return for a chunk of their land where we are going to bury hundreds and hundreds of tons of our (japan/American) nuclear waste. We need that Mongolian site so we are playing along with te Japanese on this one and hard cheese to the American citizens who get zapped
    by elainekirk 5/17/2011 1:12:09 AM

  • @elainekirk hear hear. Well said. I cannot believe this.
    by Panserbjorne9 5/17/2011 1:12:59 AM

  • @elainekirk Good Truth-o-meter!
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 1:14:50 AM

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