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@Reed: I don't want to speculate. I am just not sure..All I think is it has not yet breached yellow colored secondary containmentby Optim 5/17/2011 4:51:28 AM- TC Meretisaby Optim 5/17/2011 4:51:34 AM
- Look at those trees in the picture below. If radiation were really very very high and if fuel was strewn outside secondary containment those trees would be dead by now..Just my opinion.by Optim 5/17/2011 4:53:28 AM
@Optim Exactly. Thus far, no evidence of core explosion/detonation. However there is stated evidence of "radioactive debris" up to 2 miles from the reactors, and I believe that the debris was thrown there from a blast in #3 SFP, not from a blast within a reactor.by Reed 5/17/2011 4:58:29 AM- @Reed Or hydrogen explosion in core blew apart that SFP and fuel rods got ejected. This is just a guess game now.by Optim 5/17/2011 5:00:22 AM
- sleep time..c ya all tomorrowby Optim 5/17/2011 5:02:55 AM
- @Optim Good night Optim.by Reed 5/17/2011 5:03:29 AM
Disposing of tainted tea leaves
Farmers in Kanagawa Prefecture have begun disposing of tea leaves that were tainted by radioactive material from the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, more than 250 kilometers away.
Radioactive cesium above the designated safety limit was detected earlier this month in tea leaves harvested in 6 municipalities in Kanagawa, neighboring Tokyo.
The prefectural government asked the municipalities and local farmers' cooperatives to voluntarily halt shipments of tea leaves.
Farmers in Kiyokawa Village began stripping their tea trees of leaves following the announcement.
The prefectural government has asked farmers to place the harvested leaves as far as possible from the trees until it decides with the central government how to dispose of them.
One farmer says he wants to get rid of the contaminated leaves as soon as possible to protect the entire plantation.
Tuesday, May 17, 2011 08:25 +0900 (JST)by Veenie 5/17/2011 5:05:10 AM
CBS finally catching up to us? About the recent fire in #4 youtu.beby Debra Beckham 5/17/2011 5:40:55 AM- Watching this one made me SO ANGRY, another CBS "expert" saying move along, nothing to see here:
youtu.beby Debra Beckham 5/17/2011 5:52:13 AM 
@Debra Beckham Can I ask you a question on the unmod board?by Maureen Burke 5/17/2011 6:52:20 AM
Nuclear plant cooling system manually shut down
The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says workers may have manually shut down the No.1 reactor's emergency cooling system in order to prevent damage to the reactor. It says pressure inside the reactor had dropped sharply after the earthquake struck the plant on March 11th.Tokyo Electric Power Company on Monday disclosed records of its operations at the plant.
They show that the reactor automatically halted operations after the earthquake.
The emergency cooling system was automatically activated but stopped about 10 minutes later and remained off for about 3 hours until after the tsunami arrived.
TEPCO says plant workers may have manually shut down the cooling system because pressure inside the reactor had dropped sharply from 70 to 45 atmospheres.
The system is designed to cool the reactor even if all external sources of power are lost, but the move to shut it down temporarily means that it did not fully function.
TEPCO says the decision may have been made based on a manual to prevent damage to the reactor.
It says if the system had worked, it may have had more time until the meltdown, so it will investigate developments leading up to the decision to turn it off and whether the move was correct.
Tuesday, May 17, 2011 13:18 +0900 (JST) www3.nhk.or.jpby Angie 5/17/2011 6:58:55 AM- Ok, this is technical and kinda elaborate hence the full link without posting it all........by Veenie 5/17/2011 7:09:16 AM
- Nuke Plant: Ground May Have Shifted So Much That It May Have Caused Damage to Foundation: Arnie Gun... bit.lyby Veenie 5/17/2011 7:09:34 AM
Morning all! I don't think you've had this "Meltdown may have occurred also at Nos. 2, 3 reactors
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- An adviser to Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Monday that the operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant had failed to inject water into the Nos. 2 and 3 reactors for more than six hours after the March 11 massive earthquake and ensuing tsunami."
mdn.mainichi.jpby hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:10:20 AM- They are softening up public opinion for the bad news.by hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:12:36 AM
- Least we are starting to get more news in now............Its been very slow for news stories for quite a few hours! Thanks for finding them guys! I too think they are getting ready to announce more bad news.............by Angie 5/17/2011 7:14:46 AM
- @angie - agreed, an admission that #2 &3 went the same way as #1 is looking likely.by hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:17:01 AM
- @hudebnik From what I have been reading I am thinking they have pretty much said it already................they just need to now say how bad the melt is............We are still waiting on Tepco to have a press release for today yet!by Angie 5/17/2011 7:18:45 AM
- Probably still arguing over how much should 'leak out'by hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:20:14 AM
- lol yes I have been thinking the same........oh to be a fly on the wall in the meetings right now!!by Angie 5/17/2011 7:22:38 AM
- "Rosy telling of nuke response, warnings headed for IAEA
Kyodo
The government says in a draft report to be presented to the U.N. nuclear watchdog that it took appropriate action immediately after the crisis emerged at the Fukushima nuclear power on March 11, describing generally in a favorable light the responses of itself and Tokyo Electric Power Co., a gist of the report showed Sunday." search.japantimes.co.jpby hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:30:26 AM - Pretty p**s poor that the IAEA hasn't updated since 11 May, even though the situation in their own words "remains very serious".by hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:39:27 AM
"Mega float" arrives at port near Fukushima plant
After some final checks, it will move to a wharf at the stricken nuclear plant on Friday.
Tuesday, May 17, 2011 09:36 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jpby Edano 5/17/2011 7:39:32 AM- @Edano - just in time to be useless...by hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:40:48 AM
- Article on Tepco's finances and the GoJ at www.bloomberg.comby hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:46:22 AM
- By my reckoning the new roadmap should be out at the \Tepco news conf in an hour or two.by hudebnik 5/17/2011 7:53:28 AM
This is a zoom-in on Reactor 3's primary containment from which steam is shooting under high pressure. To say this is 'evidence' of core leak is an understatement : www.youtube.comby Ian 5/17/2011 8:13:38 AM- Goodness I've just stumbled on a goldmine of data - Tepco have remodelled their data website (linked on the wiki) and there are now graphs and explanations of where the various sensors are - www.tepco.co.jpby hudebnik edited by elainekirk 5/17/2011 8:14:33 AM
- It is all in Japanese so will take a bit of work but with any luck @bo's translations will match the graphic and at last we'll be able to identify the various 'bronze phalanges' etc.by hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:15:53 AM
@hudebnik Well done. Will require translation though.by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 8:16:05 AM- @Ian That clip has been blocked. Do you possess another link?by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 8:16:54 AM
- Yes - it is very clear that #3 is running wild - both the high temp excursions are clearly visibleby hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:17:09 AM
- This should make @dean's dayby hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:19:42 AM
- @dean will know from the sensor posisions what they are and what the readings mean.by hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:20:32 AM
- @hudebnik Great job!!! Would be good to finaly find out what that strange 'bronze phalanges' are!!! and where they are!! I am just getting dinner ready so I am in and out making sure no one is stuck in mod lol. Keep the finds coming!by Angie 5/17/2011 8:24:18 AM
good morning would somebody be kind enough to mail these links to dean including @angies shut down #1 one, I have to go out shortly and am rushing as much as someone of my advanced yrs can ;)by elainekirk 5/17/2011 8:27:55 AM- Hi Elaine I'll do better than that I'll email Dean the actual PDFs - I've downloaded them in case they disappear. Tepco have even included a lovely helpful graphic!! www.tepco.co.jpby hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:31:46 AM
- For the first time we have a comprehensive and continuous record in graphical form covering all reactors and since 20 March. Ooh Tepco you are soo helpful at times (even if 2 months late)!by hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:35:52 AM
Cool chart...
℃ Stat s RPV temperature bolts
S lower body temperature RPV Flange
S RPV Flange body
Low seal RPV s F
Noss dollar water temperature N4B
RPV Upper Head Bottom
2-86A main steam isolation valve leakage Off temperature
2-71D relief safety valve leakage
2-71F relief safety valve leakage
Lower temperature pressure vessel
D / W HVH return temperature
S / C A pool water temperature
S / C B pool water temperature
Per Google Translate...
translate.google.comby Rob in SF 5/17/2011 8:39:02 AM- @elaine - originals emailed to @dean.by hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:43:58 AM
- With the warning.. [Notes]
For each instrument, under the influence of the earthquake and subsequent evolution of events, may also have uses beyond the usual environmental conditions, accurate measurements
There are instruments that may not be. In order to determine the condition of the plant, taking into account the uncertainty of such an instrument
Ue in addition, believe that paying attention to the overall trend in the behavior by using information obtained from multiple instruments.by Ralph Unger 5/17/2011 8:44:23 AM - Sure, but if the insts are providing readings which vary as opposed to being stuck then clear trends are visible, even if they may not be 'absolutely' accurate. Bet many of them are OK tho.by hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:45:39 AM
- Yep, but the water level readings were consistent, consistently wrong.by Ralph Unger 5/17/2011 8:47:22 AM
- Can anyone remember the dates/times (in JST ideally) of the #3 'big smoke' events please?by hudebnik 5/17/2011 8:48:45 AM
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