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  • @Edano - indeed it has but there will also have been differential local movement - in a huge quake the ground behaves in many ways more like a liquid than a solid, with astonishing local displacements. We won't know for sure until there's a proper seismic survey of Fuku tho with GPS that should be possible.
    by hudebnik 5/17/2011 9:57:46 AM

  • @Pedro - indeed, and one of the noticeable omissions (to me anyway) is how few radiation readings we see from in and around Fukushima. Greenpeace should provide illumination of some things in the next day or so.
    by hudebnik 5/17/2011 9:59:13 AM

  • I personally think that with the possible exception of #3 the corium is still in the containment vessels and so most of the radioactivity is still contained, what gets out goes in the water leaks. But I don't have any info on that, it's just my supposition.
    by hudebnik 5/17/2011 10:01:11 AM

  • There are many readings.. www.mext.go.jp
    by Ralph Unger 5/17/2011 10:01:12 AM

  • @hudebnik Greenpeace has teams conducting radiation readings and analysis of different sorts (food, water, soil...) all over. If there is something out there that we don't know they will surely find out. We just have to keep our eyes open.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:01:19 AM

  • Off for a break - see you later @all.
    by hudebnik 5/17/2011 10:01:23 AM

  • @hudebnik enjoy your break.
    by Angie 5/17/2011 10:02:09 AM

  • @angie - ty
    by hudebnik 5/17/2011 10:02:26 AM

  • @Pedro Jesus Interesting that Greenpeace have published no groundwater data from Japan. This is unusual as food, air, soil and water analyses are pretty much standard measurements for them, so I assume there's collected data which has not [yet] been cleared for public release.
    by es 5/17/2011 10:10:45 AM

  • @es They wouldn't release it until they find contaminated groundwater. When they do I trust that information with hit the news headlines around the world
    straight away.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:13:18 AM

  • (with = will) brain not working well yet
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:15:01 AM

  • @Pedro Jesus I hope you're right. The Japanese authorites and the Japanese public would probably like them to release evidence of non-contaminated water too.
    by es 5/17/2011 10:15:15 AM

  • @es Sure, but you know how Greenpeace works...
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:16:06 AM

  • @Pedro Jesus hi saw that you asked me something yesterday but I think you had left when I saw it - I am on the other board now
    by Jill in Sweden 5/17/2011 10:17:08 AM

  • Greenpeace was not allowed on japanese soil or inside the 30km evac area air,sea or land.
    by RBeaner 5/17/2011 10:20:12 AM

  • @RBeaner Oh really, so why do they claim that some of the radiation readings are greater outside the exclusion area then inside it if they didn't have access to that information themselves?
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:22:11 AM

  • @Pedro Jesus the readings inside from tepco.
    by Edano 5/17/2011 10:24:22 AM

  • @Edano And how do they know TEPCO's readings inside the exclusion area are accurate? I do remember reading somewhere that Greenpeace had been conducting analysis inside the exclusion zone (outside the 20Km evac but inside the 30Km exclusion zone). Maybe I'm wrong. I remember seeing that in an interview by someone representing Greenpeace. I'll try and find that video out again.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:28:35 AM

  • Just look at the data I posted, Cs-137 levels do not drop by 50% in one day. www.mext.go.jp
    by Ralph Unger 5/17/2011 10:30:32 AM

  • @Pedro Jesus : they just say their outside readings are higher than tepco's inside readings. this implies that tepco possibly lies.
    by Edano 5/17/2011 10:32:00 AM

  • @Ralph Unger They're not supposed to if there are still emissions (and we know from TEPCO that there are). Also, the half-life of radioactive particulates doesn't tell you that the readings will half along a certain time. There are other variables such as concentration of radioactive particulates and that can change in the air and on the ground with the wind and in the water with the wind and currents. It's a little more complex than that.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:34:27 AM

  • Morning all! Anything new in the last 8 hrs?
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 10:35:39 AM

  • Because they are taking readings outside the"controlled area" and comparing them with inside the controlled area...tepco measurements..on a phone,pls excuse mistypes.
    by RBeaner 5/17/2011 10:35:50 AM

  • Why even bother to take measurements if they are not accurate?
    by Ralph Unger 5/17/2011 10:35:53 AM

  • Greenpeace Fukushima radiation monitoring teams call for further evacuation: www.greenpeace.org

    Greenpeace: Japanese Government must immediately investigate seaweed contamination: www.greenpeace.org
    by es 5/17/2011 10:36:13 AM

  • A proper measurement IS accurate.
    by Ralph Unger 5/17/2011 10:36:32 AM

  • @Edano What they did say on that interview is that there are certain areas outside the exclusion zone that show more radiation than certain areas around the plant and inside the exclusion area, advising that the exclusion area should be enlarged.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:36:41 AM

  • @Nancy Something on Kyodo about contaminated «ground water» but we haven't figured out what they mean yet.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:37:41 AM

  • @Nancy Morning! Down the page is the latest news articles...........Read the one about the backup cooling systems failing.......I have emailed dean with it.
    by Angie 5/17/2011 10:38:23 AM

  • @ralph unger I
    by RBeaner 5/17/2011 10:39:29 AM

  • Am not implying that greenpeace is inau
    ccurate, j
    by RBeaner 5/17/2011 10:43:01 AM

  • Greenpeace Statement on TEPCO admission of full meltdown and reactor core breach at Fukushima-Daiichi reactor 1: www.greenpeace.org
    by es 5/17/2011 10:44:45 AM

  • Hi Nancy! For the first time we have a comprehensive and continuous record in graphical form covering all reactors and since 20 March - see my post from 0914 onwards.
    by hudebnik 5/17/2011 10:45:42 AM

  • This is the source, I missed it at TEPCO. www.tepco.co.jp
    by Ralph Unger 5/17/2011 10:47:27 AM

  • But greenpeace doesnt have access to the same areas tepco or safecast does... Sorry fingets large
    by RBeaner 5/17/2011 10:47:34 AM

  • @RBeaner Yes, I was checking that on their website and they are not conducting any research or analysis inside the exclusion zone. They rely on TEPCO's data to assess the situation inside that zone.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:50:37 AM

  • The contaminated ground water, beyond what we already knew in the plant, is new. But I have read of concerns that it could be seeping into groundwater that could send it far away from the plant.
    I had been reading through some of the technical documents Dean has posted and the IC system played a role is keeping a number of needed systems running if they lost grid power. When they lost everything else they couldn't re-open the valve. But the pressure loss could have been an indication of much bigger issues. The fried electricals at 2 was something one of the reporters I spoke to cited early on as a big problem and proof they were not going to get things running again any time soon to control the reactors. The workers knew the system was toast. Somewhere I have an image from cryptome that has a pair of steel doors caved in and a set of electrical panels. Those panels were identified as something that is major electricity management. What a dumb place to have them.
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 10:50:55 AM

  • @Nancy Yes, but I think they [Kyodo News] might have been referring to the water spill a few days ago during one of the operations for transferring contaminated water. I read that report somewhere. We'll see.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:53:50 AM

  • Pedro ..just acomparrisson , the best GP can do! They are trying to give good[usefull] info as best they can. It is a good outside source.
    by RBeaner 5/17/2011 10:54:11 AM

  • @Pedro Jesus : dom't think so. it was a breaking news.
    by Edano 5/17/2011 10:55:28 AM

  • @hudebnik : can you please link your graphical record again ?
    by Edano 5/17/2011 10:56:32 AM

  • @RBeaner It sure is. @Edano I'll keep an eye on their website.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/17/2011 10:57:00 AM

  • @Edano - the data page is here www.tepco.co.jp tx with Google, go down to the Daiichi status section, there you will find COMPREHENSIVE temp, water etc data, per reactor, since 20 March.
    by hudebnik 5/17/2011 10:58:33 AM

  • @Pedro Jesus : it is 20:00 in japan. i think we will have to wait 12 hours....
    by Edano 5/17/2011 10:58:45 AM

  • @nancy for some reason, I saW that pic last night. B
    by RBeaner 5/17/2011 10:58:55 AM

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