
www.anengineerindc.com @Peter, check the first part of the comments on this link.. interesting about the condensor
by dean 6/19/2011 2:09:10 PM

@dean, the drawing on Physics Forum is interesting. IIRC the initial first blast at 3 was the SFP side wall going out before the big upward blast. Leaking out toward the SFP would seem to be a path of least resistance.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 2:09:53 PM

yes @lilly and he put in the photo of the explosion
by dean 6/19/2011 2:10:29 PM

I better head off,,, will return
by dean 6/19/2011 2:15:52 PM

I was reading the WSJ article about testing for radiation in some towns trying to determine where the hots spots are. They mentioned people being in their houses lowers their exposure. I have also been following a Japan based housing blog. Lots of the homes from the 60's to present is really cheap construction. Frequently lacks insulation and has single pane aluminum framed windows. So some of the housing probably is not very effective at sealing people off from radiation, dust and air.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 2:20:52 PM

by lillymunster 6/19/2011 2:20:59 PM

@LM It seems to be the lower priced mass produced houses and vacation homes that are the really shoddy ones. They also mentioned much of the housing built in the 80's and 90's was planned to only last 30 years.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 2:43:28 PM

Cooper Station NPP in Brownsville NE has gone into "Unusual Event" status (lowest level event status) due to rising water levels. If the water levels rise to their next documented height they will shut down the plant.
www.wowt.comCooper Station web site
www.nppd.comby lillymunster 6/19/2011 2:49:25 PM

@LM the people who run the blog are looking to buy a house for cash and fix it up and are looking outside Tokyo into the suburban and rural areas. We have the same type of insta-houses from the 70's and 80's in certain neighborhoods and they are falling apart or needing extensive work.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 2:51:07 PM

@LM The blog talked about the common use of room heaters and ac units rather than whole house heating like is common in the US up north. Every house up here has either a forced air furnace or steam heat system built in. When I lived in CA having a panel unit in the middle of the house for heat and central air was pretty common. Any system that uses air to circulate the heat is going to blow dust around and suck in outside air.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 3:09:21 PM

@WolfDK I think that may be the chain of events. The drawing Dean pointed to this morning thought that whatever space might be between the reactor well and the SFP could have leaked hydrogen. IIRC there is some sort of venting pipe at the top of the RPV that leads out of containment. If that broke or cracked during the quake it could have added to hydrogen build up. That drawing also looked at some other piping that could have cracked and leaked hydrogen. The GE tests from way back mention that at a certain point the pressure in the RPV can cause leaks out the gasket the RPV cap seats on.
What I don't know is if the MOX rods could have accelerated the process. I found some claims that the process used to make those rods could cause hot spots that would degrade or crack, blister the cladding. So between the longer time frame and bad cladding maybe there was just more hydrogen being produced. I do still wonder if the ongoing high heat and volatility at #3 could be being made worse by the MOX rods in the core.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 3:15:28 PM

@LM all the subtle differences and some of the unique approaches to home systems and design are really interesting. The people that right the blog currently live in "UR" apartments and talk about them plus some of the higher end condos in Tokyo. From what I have read so far there seems to be some energy waste but it seems to be an incarnation of the same kinds of energy waste in the US. I think there is lots to learn both from the differences in design and also the sudden need for energy savings. This is the blog
catforehead.wordpress.comby lillymunster 6/19/2011 3:19:39 PM

@Peter Melzer There are known leaks in that one. It showed up on some of the early overhead images and heat images where steam and heat were escaping. It made jets of steam. So both could have been leaking adding to the build up.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 3:30:05 PM

@Edano. Is there a way to estimate total radiation based on the rod assemblies? How much exists in the rods, how much is additional generated by reactions? This gets into the scientific part of things that is way over my head.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 3:33:01 PM

Yikes! That sounds like a large release. We no longer have frequent air filter tests here in the US but there are still operating counters on the coast. Anyone know the average days to make it across the pacific?
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 3:57:00 PM

They have a box filter test coming up soon. Some date in late June. They are back to quarterly testing.
by lillymunster 6/19/2011 4:00:29 PM