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  • Anybody know if this is true ?
    Radiation acceptance is not over 500 Bq/kg to vegetables and fishes in Jpn, though EU countries cautioned safety level is not over 10 Bq.
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:06:22 PM

  • Japan Nuke Reactor to Be Sealed in Concrete
    The owner of Japan’s Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant plans to construct a barrier around one of its reactors that The Telegraph in London describes as a “concrete sarcophagus.”
    The Tokyo Electric Power Co. will begin construction on June 27, using remote-controlled equipment in order to protect workers. The structure will be outfitted with filters that clean the air inside, allowing workers to enter the facility.
    More: www.newsmax.com
    by joniver 6/19/2011 4:06:45 PM

  • Is the GoJ not adhering to international safety limits ?
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:07:11 PM

  • @Veenie I made a page of existing maximum levels in the FAQ wiki. It has euro, US and I think I put some Japanese max levels in there also?
    by lillymunster 6/19/2011 4:07:19 PM

  • @joniver another tepco BS.
    by Edano 6/19/2011 4:08:05 PM

  • @lillymunster It's not on the Website ?....I think, it maybe due for a review, maybe Bo can get updated level's, since he is right there....cause this is a HUGE difference in safety !
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:10:28 PM

  • @you : sounds like the very last idea. desperation.
    by Edano 6/19/2011 4:10:30 PM

  • From the article below. "Prefecture and city officials found that the operator had tampered with video images of the fire to hide the scale of the disaster".
    Fire?
    by joniver 6/19/2011 4:11:02 PM

  • @Veenie 500 bq/kg is eu limit as well.
    by Edano 6/19/2011 4:12:15 PM

  • @Edano THAT is what i was asking.,ok, so the tweet was wrong, thanks !
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:14:21 PM

  • @Veenie : there may be lower national limits for certain products, but 500 is general limit.
    by Edano 6/19/2011 4:16:03 PM

  • Does anyone know what kind of device which weighs 3.3 tons could crash into an inner reactor vessel?
    by joniver 6/19/2011 4:17:26 PM

  • e.g. there are very low limits for baby food, maybe they refer to this.
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/19/2011 4:17:29 PM

  • @joniver Crane that handles the Rods for example
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:19:30 PM

  • @Veenie Could be. Maybe it happened during a refueling and a fire resulted from...?
    by joniver 6/19/2011 4:21:59 PM

  • @Veenie Good idea, we should update, clean that up and move it to the site.

    @Joniver, the Monju accident with the fire was a big cover up in Japan. Wikileaks has the unedited videos of the workers inspecting the accident.
    The equipment falling into the reactor is another accident. It sounds like a large heavy piece of functional equipment to run the reactor that broke loose and fell in at an angle wedging it in there. They need to get it unstuck. Monju has run for about 1 hour in all the decades that nightmare has been in existence. Peter mentioned about the liquid sodium they use to cool it, it is really combustible with water or air. They use it in a loop system like the BWR reactors where there is water on one side in pipes and the liquid sodium in the other. Any sort of leak could be catastrophic. They fill areas with argon gas to lower the risk. IMHO the entire project is insane. :-)
    by lillymunster 6/19/2011 4:22:00 PM

  • Some details on Monju, Wikileaks has more and videos en.wikipedia.org
    by lillymunster 6/19/2011 4:23:12 PM

  • @joniver Look for iit on our FB Page, it holds all the items we find, I know it was posted here as well
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:23:51 PM

  • it was the transfer machine that fell into the monju reactor
    by ElaineKirk 6/19/2011 4:25:06 PM

  • @ElaineKirk There ya go, Morning )), you remebered it to eh ?
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:25:55 PM

  • @lillymunster Holy smokes WTH is going on there!
    by joniver 6/19/2011 4:26:28 PM

  • oh and a piece of the vessel lid
    by ElaineKirk 6/19/2011 4:26:48 PM

  • the people dont want it retrieving they want it to remain as it is but JAEA want to restart the reactor
    by ElaineKirk 6/19/2011 4:27:53 PM

  • Sunday, June 19, 2011

    Nuclear plant hosts doubt minister's assurances
    Halted reactors safe to fire up: Kaieda
    Kyodo

    Industry minister Banri Kaieda on Saturday called for restarting nuclear reactors currently suspended to meet summertime electricity demand, saying immediate countermeasures for severe accidents have been taken "appropriately" at the nation's power plants.

    News photo

    But local governments hosting nuclear plants adopted a cautious stance, saying they will need to thoroughly examine safety measures.

    According to safety agreements signed with power plant operators, utilities need the consent of local governments before reactors can be restarted.

    Noting that the power shortages facing the country could cause a "hollowing out" of Japanese industries, he called on local governments and residents to accept the reactivation of reactors that have been halted longer than planned by the ongoing nuclear crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 plant.

    On Saturday, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, part of the industry ministry, said it had determined that nearly all short-term measures have been taken to prevent severe accidents at nuclear power plants, prompting Kaieda to say that there is no safety problem with rebooting the suspended reactors.

    On June 7, NISA called for 11 nuclear power plant operators to report on countermeasures taken to prevent accidents similar to the Fukushima incident from happening again.

    The agency then conducted inspections to confirm the countermeasures reported, including steps to ensure communication during blackouts, protective gear for high-level radiation and mechanisms to vent hydrogen from the reactor buildings.

    Kaieda expressed readiness to visit areas hosting nuclear power plants to gain the acceptance of local governments and residents for the move.

    "The state will thoroughly explain the safety of atomic energy to local people as its responsibility," he said.

    Despite Kaieda's strong urging for reactor reboots, local governments hosting nuclear power plants appeared largely unmoved, with the government of Fukui Prefecture, which hosts 13 commercial reactors — the most in the nation — saying that it is in no position to agree to an immediate restart.

    "While it's true that we now have an additional appraisal for reactor safety, there is no change in our prefecture's response so far," an official in charge of nuclear safety measures said.

    Thirty-five of the nation's 54 commercial reactors have been halted for regular inspections and other reasons. But restarting them has been problematic because the local governments hosting them are concerned about their safety in light of the world's worst nuclear crisis since the Chernobyl accident.

    Ishikawa Gov. Masanori Tanimoto said in a statement it is difficult to make a decision on restarting the Shika plant located in his prefecture unless the government explains in more detail how the situation at the Hamaoka plant in Shizuoka Prefecture, which the government formally asked Chubu Electric Power Co. to shut down, differs from that at other plants.

    At the news conference, Kaieda also indicated the need to devise comprehensive safety standards to obtain the understanding of local governments and people worried about the safety of nuclear power plants.
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:29:03 PM

  • back to my shopping ..next on list...coffee
    by ElaineKirk 6/19/2011 4:30:43 PM

  • What I am reading inbetween the lines here is....local prefectures are not trusting the Goverment at all in their staements that they are ready to be restarted......and another thing, in this article, it seems to state that MANY were actually halted without explanation ?
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 4:30:54 PM

  • @Veenie People verses nuke plants...and the winner is?
    by joniver 6/19/2011 4:34:31 PM

  • Has anybody heard anything about this? Radioactive reactor equipment may be exposed at Fukushima plant
    TOKYO, June 19, Kyodo
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by LM 6/19/2011 4:43:00 PM

  • @joniver Monju just strikes me as insanity. IIRC Peter said none in the world have ever gone into commercial production. I hear people randomly outside of nuclear power information circles mention how fast breeder reactors are the answer to our future. Now that I know how they work I don't think so! :-)
    by lillymunster 6/19/2011 4:46:49 PM

  • @LM Have not found anything yet. That sounds like one of TEPCO's read between the lines press releases. Here comes the Monday morning bad news dump from TEPCO!
    by lillymunster 6/19/2011 4:48:00 PM

  • @Lilly That makes sense!
    by LM 6/19/2011 4:53:24 PM

  • upload.wikimedia.org
    thyroiod cancer in belarus
    Yellow: Adults (19–34)
    Blue: Adolescents (15–18)
    Red: Children (0–14)

    by Edano via Upload.wikimedia.org 6/19/2011 5:07:27 PM

  • @edano gosh the generational pattern is so clear
    by ElaineKirk 6/19/2011 5:18:27 PM

  • New report shows early chaos at Japan nuke plant
    www.sfgate.com
    by trh 6/19/2011 5:23:54 PM

  • hi @all horror stories.. Children sickness linked to Fukushima radiation
    www.examiner.com
    by trh 6/19/2011 5:23:56 PM

  • On that Kyodo story:
    TOKYO, June 19 Kyodo - Highly radioactive equipment removed from and kept under water near a suspended reactor at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant may be partially exposed and emitting radiation into the air, officials of the plant operator said Sunday. Tokyo Electric Power Co. began injecting water for the equipment the same day at the building of the No. 4 reactor, which was suspended for regular inspection when it lost cooling functions in the March 11
    by radioguy 6/19/2011 5:37:49 PM

  • Oh... wait... so they're also using water to cool exposed EQUIPMENT? Where's that water going?
    by radioguy 6/19/2011 5:38:50 PM

  • @radioguy Thanks. Somehow we always seem to end up with more questions than answers.
    by LM 6/19/2011 5:40:21 PM

  • I'm suddenly envisioning swimming pools full of radioactive equipment... leaking like everything else from the constant shaking would be my guess.
    by radioguy 6/19/2011 5:41:16 PM

  • @lillymunster And you are so right. That just smacks of a TEPCO "AHem... hrmmmph.. um... remember we were talking about Grandma the other day?"
    by radioguy 6/19/2011 5:43:01 PM

  • Tepco are probably news (and other) leak crazy because tomoro
    The International Atomic Energy Agency will host a five-day Ministerial Conference on Nuclear Safety from 20 to 24 June, to discuss issues related to improving nuclear safety around the world. Following the 11 March 2011 nuclear accident at TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station in Japan,
    www.iaea.org
    by ElaineKirk 6/19/2011 5:48:17 PM

  • It is a tactic the last Labour government in the UK used - leak just enough info to get some media coverage then when the whole truth comes out it doesnt get prominence due to it no longer being 'news'
    by ElaineKirk 6/19/2011 5:50:28 PM

  • Ok, I need to know this!!
    Is there a level of radioactivity or conjunction "combination" of particals, that could cause all these leaks ?
    I mean....we know, corosion, causes rust which causes metal to break down........what if a number of the combined chemicals in what amount ? is actually causing everything to break down ? I hope this makes sense.....cause i do not get why EVERYTHING is leaking no matter where what it is made of or how it is stored
    by Veenie 6/19/2011 5:55:32 PM

  • @Veenie I think a 9.0 earthquake is sufficient to justify all those leaks. The NPPs around the world are only designed to withstand up to M5.7 earthquakes and Fukushima-Daiichi was (and I emphasize WAS) one of the strongest around the world. Most NPPs would crumble at M7.0 let alone M9.0. I think some people here keep forgetting the magnitude of what happened on March 11TH. [I apologize but I'm getting a bit fed up with all the TEPCO this and TEPCO that]
    by Pedro Jesus 6/19/2011 6:02:33 PM

  • I have no idea Veenie - in the early days I read about how plutonium actually sort of combines with concrete as opposed to just sticking to it so I suppose a mixture could ?
    by ElaineKirk 6/19/2011 6:05:53 PM

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