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  • Fukushima residents dump radiated soil in absence of plan

    af.reuters.com

    "More than three months after a massive earthquake and tsunami triggered a nuclear meltdown at a nearby power plant, Fukushima residents are scrambling to cope with contamination on their own in the absence of a long-term plan from the government."
    by bo 7/5/2011 3:56:25 AM

  • Life on the edge of Japan's nuclear contamination zone www.bbc.co.uk

    "A hundred paces away a 7-Eleven shop is still open. But its car park is where emergency workers going to deal with the disaster get ready, pulling on white boiler suits, masks and goggles to protect themselves from radiation."
    by bo 7/5/2011 4:13:01 AM

  • matsumoto, tepco's / areva's trojan horse ?

    Opposition blames Kan for appointing Matsumoto

    TOKYO, July 5, Kyodo

    Japan's opposition camp on Tuesday blamed Prime Minister Naoto Kan for having appointed as reconstruction minister Ryu Matsumoto, who resigned only about a week after assuming the newly created post following a series of indiscreet remarks.

    Ichiro Aisawa, chairman of the main opposition Liberal Democratic Party's Diet Affairs Committee, said his party would ''pursue (Kan's) responsibility for appointing'' Matsumoto to the post.

    Aisawa renewed the opposition's call for Kan to leave office at an early date.
    english.kyodonews.jp

    His resignation could be a further blow to Prime Minister Naoto Kan, who last month announced his intention to step down in the not-too-distant future but is still making every effort to cling to power a little longer.

    The remarks by Matsumoto on Sunday during his visit to the northwestern region of Tohoku have been widely criticized as high-handed and have given fresh ammunition to opposition parties in attacking Kan's government.
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 7/5/2011 4:13:53 AM

  • stupid, but news .... (?)

    Govt plans detailed radiation monitoring

    The Japanese government will conduct a detailed survey of radiation levels in Fukushima and use the data to review existing evacuation orders and advisories.

    In a meeting held on Monday, the government decided to take charge of all radiation surveys being conducted separately by ministries, localities and the operator of the disabled Fukushima nuclear plant.

    All data will be collated by the education and science ministry and made public through a dedicated website.

    A more detailed survey of radiation will begin later in July, with measurements to be taken every 2 square kilometers inside the no-entry zone and other areas where evacuation is advised.

    Priority will be given to schools and streets frequented by children. The government plans to compile a database by the end of August before the children return to school.

    Nuclear disaster minister Goshi Hosono has said that he hopes to begin studies around July 17th on whether to cancel one of the advisories that require residents to be prepared for evacuation in case of an emergency.

    July 17th is the date when the nuclear plant operator is due to complete the first step of its 2-stage plan to put the crippled reactors under control.

    Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:41 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 7/5/2011 4:27:04 AM

  • Yes, surely the LDP would have appointed Gandhi.
    by bo 7/5/2011 4:39:41 AM

  • 45% of kids in Fukushima survey had thyroid exposure to radiation

    TOKYO, July 5, Kyodo

    Around 45 percent of children in Fukushima Prefecture surveyed by the local and central governments in late March experienced thyroid exposure to radiation, although in all cases in trace amounts that did not warrant further examination, officials of the Nuclear Safety Commission said Tuesday.

    The survey was conducted on 1,080 children aged 0 to 15 in Iwaki, Kawamata and Iitate on March 26-30 in light of radiation leakages from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant crippled after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami disaster.

    Separately, a survey of soil at four locations in the city of Fukushima on June 26 found that all samples were contaminated with radioactive cesium, measuring 16,000 to 46,000 becquerels per kilogram and exceeding the legal limit of 10,000 becquerels per kg, citizens groups involved said Tuesday. english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 7/5/2011 4:45:39 AM

  • i can't stop shaking my head about this criminal stupidity !!! they believe in blood types and "trace amounts of radiation".
    by Edano 7/5/2011 4:49:25 AM

  • Hi, @all. It's been quite a while. Cheers to everybody.
    Thanks, @Edano...
    >> 45% of kids in Fukushima survey had thyroid exposure to radiation - Kyodonews
    Even though only in "trace amounts", still the findings do seem to indicate that the children were not favored with adequate protective/preventive measures early on. And this is a critical piece of public health shortcoming, for me.
    by Alblee 7/5/2011 4:51:19 AM

  • by Ian 7/5/2011 4:54:27 AM

  • @Alblee if they had evacuated the fuku kids in time, they would not have any internal exposure. there is no "trace amount of radiation".
    by Edano 7/5/2011 4:54:49 AM

  • Some questions I have in video form....
    by Ian 7/5/2011 4:54:53 AM

  • @Edano, might it be possible to trace the original Nihongo term that was translated as "trace amount" in that English news story?
    When I saw the English version using that term, I muttered to myself, what trace amount... This isn't a situation where you are saying a certain food product was produced in equipment used for, say, biscuits, and could contain trace amounts of margarine.
    by Alblee 7/5/2011 4:58:37 AM

  • @Alblee :

    45% of Children Living Near Fukushima Exposed to Thyroid Radiation: Tokyo Shimbun
    Turning to the latest from the ongoing nuclear crisis in Japan now
    The Japanese newspaper, Tokyo Shimbun reports that medical experts have detected radiation in the thyroids of 45 percent of children living near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
    But Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission, who conducted the study, says the amounts detected are too small to cause any health risks.
    According to the paper, the NSC says the highest level of exposure found was 0.1 micro sieverts per hour, while most children had 0.zero-four micro sieverts per hour.
    But the Deputy Director of the Safety Commission, Shigeharu Kato says the levels detected were too small to require any type of detailed check-up.
    The commission conducted a survey on 1 thousand-80 local children under the age of 15 between March 26th to 30th.

    JUL 05, 2011
    www.arirang.co.kr
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:02:25 AM

  • Thanks, @Edano.
    by Alblee 7/5/2011 5:05:54 AM

  • Soil liquefaction spread across Kanto region
    "In addition to the Tohoku prefectures of Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima, Tokyo and five prefectures--Ibaraki, Chiba, Saitama, Kanagawa and Tochigi--suffered damage from liquefaction." www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:06:20 AM

  • by Edano via Yomiuri.co.jp 7/5/2011 5:07:08 AM

  • Robot to gauge radiation in No.3 reactor

    The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant says it will send a robot inside the No.3 reactor to measure radiation and determine if it is safe to begin injecting nitrogen.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company is rushing to implement the procedure, which has already been carried out in the No.1 and 2 reactors to prevent further hydrogen explosions.

    High levels of radiation are hampering work inside the building housing the reactor. TEPCO workers on Monday covered parts of the floor with steel plates to block the radiation.

    TEPCO says the remote-controlled robot is equipped with a special camera that shows radiation in different colors.

    The firm plans to begin the operation on Wednesday after preparations on Tuesday. Once it has confirmed that radiation is falling, it will inspect pipes that will be used to inject nitrogen. It says if there are no problems, it will begin the injection before July 17.

    Nuclear crisis minister Goshi Hosono said he wants to shrink the evacuation zone around the plant by that date, so attention is focused whether the plant operator can implement the operation as scheduled.

    Tuesday, July 05, 2011 13:37 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:12:46 AM

  • @Edano, re: liquefaction concerns... much of Kanto is in a plains region, right? Thanks.
    by Alblee 7/5/2011 5:17:30 AM

  • @Alblee : the thyroid accumulates iodine, the released radioisotope has a half life of 8 days, so the measured internal exposure at the beginning of the disaster will have been significantly higher, but the measurings are too late now. in any case, the exposure was too high and it would be necessary for the children to avoid ANY exponation in the future.
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:18:00 AM

  • @Alblee : the article says it is not limited to costal areas.
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:19:45 AM

  • @Edano : because they continue inhaling radiation from the dirt, apparently even iodine.
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:21:24 AM

  • @Edano, you're right it's too late now (reckoning from the March exposure) but I also happen to be thinking eactly what you're thinking, that they might continue to be exposed and, hence, some protective measure -- like potassium iodide prophylaxis at some age- or body mass-appropriate dose -- should be given across the board. That's why I had said it was a shortcoming, a very serious public health shortcoming.
    by Alblee 7/5/2011 5:25:37 AM

  • @Alblee : 100% right, but no word about any countermeasure. nothing !
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:27:01 AM

  • @Edano, and which is why I also look up the following link:
    www.city.kawasaki.jp
    to check out the waterworks reading near Kawasaki City for radio Iodine and radio Cesium levels, thinking that it could be a trigger/alert indicator for a sprawling greater metropolitan area that's home to millions -- and this is where the heartbeat of Japan pulses.
    by Alblee 7/5/2011 5:30:56 AM

  • @Borrden or @Bo, @anyone-on-the-ground-in-Japan, just curious here if local government units around Fukushima, Ibaraki, Niigata don't have radio iodine prophylaxis game plans in effect? Is Dr. Kamiya radiation adviser to Fukushima prefecture no more (?) Thanks. I am thinking a sudden churning of Ground Zero by a strong enough typhoon could cause radio iodine fallout over a large swath of Central and Northeast Japan, and measures such as iodide prophylaxis (to start a couple of days before a typhoon hits) ought to be in place in some way.
    by Alblee edited by alblee 7/5/2011 5:41:02 AM

  • lets make a little math: 120 days since the explosions makes 120/8 = 15 half lives.
    assuming that there was no additional iodine exposure, the now measured "trace amount" of 0.1 uSv/h sums up to 3276.8 uSv/h, which is far beyond any limit - even for adults.
    additionally, you have to calculate the biological half time of iodine, which is about 64 days:

    "About 55% of the131I tracer dose are metabolized in humans with a BHL of 64 days (mean, range: 39–122 days) during the organic iodine phase." www.springerlink.com

    this means we can conclude a worst case scenario of 4 times 3 mSv/h =12 mSv/h at the time of the explosions. worst case means in this case, that there was only the one exposure during the explosions. so, this is the real meaning of "trace amounts". this is only what's left from the big disaster.
    by Edano edited by Edano 7/5/2011 5:43:31 AM

  • So I feel like there is almost no new press/media information anymore on facts and/or theories as to what has happened INSIDE all these reactors! Is there a place where we can find anything conclusive? Or is everything going to remain speculative until 2015?
    by Darren 7/5/2011 5:46:57 AM

  • sorry, albee, i deleted your post !!! can you do it again, please ! i am sitting on a swinging chair and hit the wrong button !
    {Heheh, just be quick enough in that chair if some earthquake hits. :) - Alblee]
    i will stop swinging now while on the mod board ! - Edano :)
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:49:00 AM

  • @Darren, that's if we are to depend on the institutional sources and carriers of news. That's why boards like this can serve an alternative purpose of bringing out facts and info. Paging @lurkers out there...

    From @Darren:
    > So I feel like there is almost no new press/media information anymore
    > on facts and/or theories as to what has happened INSIDE all these reactors!
    > Is there a place where we can find anything conclusive? Or is everything going
    > to remain speculative until 2015?
    by Alblee 7/5/2011 5:50:52 AM

  • @Alblee thnx. So I've actually been on this board for about a month now, on and off... but it takes a lot of time to canvas all the posts, especially with all the varying timezones.
    by Darren 7/5/2011 5:51:44 AM

  • still I thought there would be more of a stream of factual data coming somewhere, seems the physics forum is the only other place I've found that has regular updates...
    by Darren 7/5/2011 5:52:10 AM

  • @Darren : yes, physicsforum has proved to be a good crowd sourcing community.
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:53:50 AM

  • OK so here's a question - if the flow of water into one of the reactors decreased from 3.7 tons/hour to 3 tons/hour, shouldn't the temperature have risen slightly?
    by Darren 7/5/2011 5:56:01 AM

  • @Edano, thanks for the calculation of the possible initial radio iodine exposure in March. I had inhibited myself from doing the extrapolative calculation for fear that I might not be man enough to look at the resulting number. I really shudder.
    by alblee 7/5/2011 5:56:44 AM

  • @Darren we try to collect all data that they hand out and put it together, but there is hardly a chance to reconstruct it until we have all the data.
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:57:05 AM

  • @Darren : you are right: the temperatures have risen in all 3 reactors by about 10° C. you can see it in the reactor graphs: www.houseoffoust.com
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:58:24 AM

  • @Edano thanks... was just curious, as I knew they already tried to minimize the total water flow to the smallest amount anyway to try to generate less waste water. interesting stuff.
    by Darren 7/5/2011 5:59:20 AM

  • @Darren : for example: nearly all readings for #1 were well below 100°, now they are all above 100°.
    by Edano 7/5/2011 5:59:49 AM

  • @Edano you think those readings are accurate, too? I thought only one reactor was impacted by the reduced water flow...
    by Darren 7/5/2011 6:00:23 AM

  • @Darren no, they reduced cooling in all 3 reactors. they even did not fill up the spent fuel pool in #4 anymore, so the water level is there only about 350 mm above the rods .... this is dangerously low.
    by Edano edited by Edano 7/5/2011 6:02:31 AM

  • @Edano [sigh] i hope they are getting good at this by now at least, seems like it's still a ticking time bomb...
    by Darren 7/5/2011 6:03:07 AM

  • @Darren, methinks the answer to that would be, 'it depends'. It might depend on the prevailing state of that specific reactor's water exchange and heat exchange environment. Much of the local transients seem to be occurring in a touch-and-go kind of scenario. Things look quite difficult-to-predict from where we sit. That's why, whatever else I may think about the quality of brainpower deployed at the Tepco crisis war room, those guys deserve some benefit of the doubt in trying to grab this Fukushima bull by the horn.

    From @Darren:
    > OK so here's a question - if the flow of water into one of the reactors decreased from
    > 3.7 tons/hour to 3 tons/hour, shouldn't the temperature have risen slightly?
    by Alblee 7/5/2011 6:03:18 AM

  • Methinks aside from iodide prophylaxis, each person residing within, say, 50-km radius of Fukushima Ground Zero ought to be issued a personal dosimeter. For me, this should be an integral part of The New Normal in this part of Japan. Has this been talked about? Sorry if I missed it. Thanks.
    by Alblee edited by alblee 7/5/2011 6:10:28 AM

  • @Alblee : yes, they gave personal body dosimeters to children - but guess what ? - they have no display !!!!! so they will be recollected, secretly analysed and then eventually handed out. the parents will not know the exposure of their child !

    [Thanks, @Edano. Ugh, that's not only bigtime sloppy, but really bigtime naughty. For a nation with such technological prowess, this is something that could be hardwired into a live database/monitoring system. Throw in GPS, as well, heck. - Alblee]
    by Edano edited by alblee 7/5/2011 6:19:12 AM

  • @Edano, no display for the parents? Criminal!
    by Lurking 7/5/2011 6:23:33 AM

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