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@Lurking : they want to keep it secret and control the "trace amounts".
by Edano 7/5/2011 6:24:47 AM

@Edano, again I say criminal! Momma's want to know. Good or bad, at least if you know you can make an informed decision.
by Lurking 7/5/2011 6:30:29 AM

@Lurking, @Edano, it's not so difficult to programmatically graft into the existing school or community residential database, methinks -- just a couple of additional fields. And have the data available online. Set up weekly "reporting" stations in each school, etc
by Alblee 7/5/2011 6:31:03 AM

@Lurking : they have a right to know !
by Edano 7/5/2011 6:31:15 AM

@Alblee : that's exactly what they do not want to have - transparency may lead to "unfounded" fears. so they decided to control the data, that's what they are doing all the time.

[I still can't quite process the thought about how Japan's societal norms could have allowed such a thing to happen. Perhaps, the demand or wellspring of such a campaign has to come from within. And, so, some eye-opener has to flash the germ of mass actionable insight. <sigh> - Alblee]
by Edano edited by alblee 7/5/2011 6:34:03 AM

Paging Dr. Kenji Kamiya, health risk adviser to Fukushima Prefecture...
by Alblee 7/5/2011 6:34:08 AM

“It is only conceivable that the high rate of radiation released was not reported because of fears of a panic.” japanfocus.org
excellent article , bo pointed to it.
by Edano edited by Edano 7/5/2011 6:38:57 AM

it's easy to deceive a shocked society that is used to following, not to contradicting.

[Well, this here is one tipping point right in front of their face. - Alblee].
by Edano edited by alblee 7/5/2011 6:44:47 AM

Edano, do have a link re that the dosimeters for kids don't have to display? Does this not amount to unethical experimentation? Because not to evacuate is choice the Govt makes, they've subjected the children to the test conditions, their not being evacuated is not the same as happenstance accidental exposure. Might their be UN regulations against voluntary/child experimentation?
by Ian 7/5/2011 6:55:46 AM

meant:
involuntary
by Ian 7/5/2011 6:56:49 AM

@Ian no, but it was discussed on the board, maybe a week ago.
by Edano 7/5/2011 6:59:26 AM

I recall the saying that 'all it takes for the no-good to triumph is for all good men to do nothing.'

Well, there could be a twist to that: 'All it takes for good to triumph is for all good men (and women) to do nothing.'

That implies a general strike; we don't send no child to school; we don't go to no office or factory; we don't man no public works/transpo/civil service station ... unless the children of our Fukushima brothers and sisters are properly served by appropriate and transparent radio monitoring system.
by Alblee 7/5/2011 7:00:45 AM

@Alblee a strike in japan ? unthinkable for them !

[@Edano, maybe there can be a 初めて... The Fukushima crisis was also a first, and a terrible one at that. - Alblee]
by Edano edited by alblee 7/5/2011 7:02:15 AM

@Ian here is an article by ex-skf in which he talks about the types of monitors. Although he doesn't provide sources. ex-skf.blogspot.com

[Konichiwa, @Bo. Please forgive the intrusion. - Alblee]
by bo edited by alblee 7/5/2011 7:04:51 AM

I wonder if there is anything benevolent that the hibakusha descendants can do for their Fukushima brethren...
by Alblee 7/5/2011 7:07:29 AM

Thanks bo! If they say it's safe, then they know and don't need testing. So if they're testing, then they don't know if it's safe.

[Quite common sense and very lucid, @Ian. - Alblee]
by Ian edited by alblee 7/5/2011 7:08:13 AM

I would say that things are going to go through a lot of changes here in Japan regarding the public response. We all know that the coming months are only going to bring growing awareness of the epidemiological impact, as well as the environmental impact, so every week public confidence in the govt. is going to be shaken more and more. Increasing amounts of people will come to the conclusion that they are being lied to, and that their health and the health of their children are at far more risk than they have been led to believe. What is considered typical behavior in Japan will be less and less typical with each passing month. Where this ends up is very unpredictable, but we can take for granted that the lid will only pry further and further off both the understanding of the people, and the appropriate response.
by bo 7/5/2011 7:11:02 AM

Thanks, @bo.
I wonder what's in the mind of Dr. Kenji Kamiya, him being the health risk consultant of the Fukushima governor.
This issue of the children's radiation exposure monitoring can serve as a tipping point for other issues. If enough people on one side of the boat shift their weight to the other side ...

@bo:
> ... regarding the public response ... Where this ends up is very unpredictable ...
by Alblee 7/5/2011 7:19:26 AM

bo, let's hope there is a public reaction. I wonder if authorities will try to run a coverup of health effects. It might be too complex and not work, esp if the effects are pervasive. It will be in the interests of health officials not to be wrong, and thus to under report as much as possible. But Japanese culture Japan is a democracy, so when elections come I hope the people start to reshape things to make changes away from a nuclear future.
by Ian 7/5/2011 7:20:20 AM

@Ian there will almost surely be an attempt at coverup, but at this point there is almost zero public confidence in official pronouncements about public health, so it is against that backdrop that the coverup will operate. Regarding the elections, the LDP will almost certainly try to hang this around the Democratic Party's neck, even though it was they who engineered the current state of affairs. Lets hope an alternative emerges. This is a real political opportunity for some opportunistic politician. Also, I think that with the public confidence in the efforts being made towards public health evaporated, maybe some in the health professions will sense that serving a dead horse will not do them any favors, and they will not participate in a cover up. It will all be very interesting.
by bo 7/5/2011 7:25:33 AM

Looks like maybe time for discernful Sōhei (僧兵) types in various sectors of Japan's society to come out of the woodwork. Heck, rally all the B-bloodtypes, too.
by Alblee edited by alblee 7/5/2011 7:30:42 AM

Crisis brings angst, no answers to Japan's Atomic Arcade "Japanese housewife Kayako Hayashi used to think nuclear power was a risk worth taking. Now she just doesn't know." www.reuters.com
by Ralph Unger 7/5/2011 7:30:58 AM

Thanks bo and Alblee!
by Ian 7/5/2011 7:38:49 AM

the areva vice president has given an interview I can only find a Japanese version that doesnt translate well has anyone seen an English version? One thing that does translate is the decontamination system is only expected to last a year !!
by Elaine Kirk 7/5/2011 7:54:37 AM

Good morning, @Elaine. Have coffee, will scribble. :)
by Alblee 7/5/2011 8:05:32 AM

Hi elaine
by bo 7/5/2011 8:07:31 AM

@bo @Alblee g'morning coffe is served
by Elaine Kirk 7/5/2011 8:15:34 AM

Nuclear energy will remain "essential"-new Areva CEO "PARIS, July 4 (Reuters) Nuclear energy will remain an "essential" source of energy, despite Japan's Fukushima disaster, the new head of French nuclear group Areva said in his first interview since his nomination." www.reuters.com
by Ralph Unger 7/5/2011 8:26:03 AM

@Ralph Unger expra cream in your coffee ty
by Elaine Kirk 7/5/2011 8:34:57 AM

That was all I could find on Areva tonight that was recent.
by Ralph Unger 7/5/2011 8:38:04 AM

Got to go, for now... Thanks.
by Alblee 7/5/2011 8:47:05 AM

@all heading out for some delicious three-eyed sushi. Later!
by bo 7/5/2011 8:47:15 AM

@Alblee @bo enjoy bo great to see you again alblee
by Elaine Kirk 7/5/2011 8:54:09 AM

I keep hoping to get two tailed shrimp from the BP disaster.
by Ralph Unger 7/5/2011 8:55:29 AM

Looking at the fallout pattern, perhaps something like this happened with the wind at Fukushima. eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov
by Ralph Unger via Eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov 7/5/2011 9:10:26 AM

earthobservatory.nasa.gov
by Ralph Unger 7/5/2011 9:11:35 AM

@Ralph Unger I dunno what to say but makes you think doesnt it
by Elaine Kirk 7/5/2011 9:29:19 AM

lh4.googleusercontent.com

Construction Status of Mitigation of Contamination in the Ocean from Unit 1 to 4(Water intake sliding concrete plate in the screen)
www.tepco.co.jp
by Elaine Kirk via Lh4.googleusercontent 7/5/2011 9:57:53 AM

Fukushima residents dump radiated soil in absence of plan. They scoop up soil from their gardens and dump it in holes dug out in parks and nearby forests, scrub their roofs with soap and refuse to let their children play outside.

More than three months after a massive earthquake and tsunami triggered a nuclear meltdown at a nearby power plant, Fukushima residents are scrambling to cope with contamination on their own in the absence of a long-term plan from the government.

"Everything and everyone here is paralysed and we feel left on our own, unsure whether it's actually safe for us to stay in the city," said Akiko Itoh, 42, with her four-year old son in her lap. af.reuters.com
by Majj 7/5/2011 11:39:55 AM

@Majj these stories need a wide auduence we should gather them on simplyinfo
by elainekirk 7/5/2011 11:46:06 AM

nhk Tepco Fukushima documentary English voiceover www.nippon-sekai.com Part 1
by elainekirk 7/5/2011 11:50:49 AM

mdn.mainichi.jp BIG BUSINESS, big government weighing in at fukushima
by dean 7/5/2011 12:39:57 PM

@dean There is a word I use for inhumane cell collections such as the instigators and ceators of the ariva files but it is classified
by elainekirk 7/5/2011 12:45:43 PM

The US NEI is doing the same thing, trying to smear the Japanese to deflect any inspection of things in the US. He even makes a flat out fabrication that the Japanese don't have or have insufficient simulator equipment. www.npr.org
by lillymunster 7/5/2011 12:54:01 PM

NHK stories carried in today’s JAIF Earthquake Report: (Fukushima NPP Site) ●Water flow falls at No.1 reactor, but restored ●Work underway for nitrogen injection (Other news) ●Govt plans detailed radiation monitoring ●Keidanren chief meets Areva executive ●Conditions must be met to lift evacuation advisory ●Date City to decontaminate entire area ●Ibaraki residents start monitoring radiation ●Mayor approves restart of Genkai nuclear plant
by Markfm 7/5/2011 12:59:40 PM