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@lillymunster Hi Lilly--I have a bit of time today and am available to go through Hanford stuff or look for anything else that may be helpful for you. Let me know what I can do!
by ariadne 8/15/2011 3:57:45 PM

The Japan Times has articles mentioning Yamashita. One is dated March 23rd and another August 4th.
by Will 8/15/2011 4:00:27 PM

@ariadne I think we have Hanford research pretty well exhausted. The radiation exposures studies in general still needs much digging. We have been trying to find Chernobyl studies on exposure vs. cancer and other health outcomes. also studies on low level iodine 131 exposure vs. thyroid cancer rates. If you have time to do some google searching for studies that would be a huge help. Then we can start extracting the study results. Let me know if you need search terms. Thanks so much for offering, this is kind of a daunting project (quantifying exposure) so more hands is good! :-)
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 4:06:49 PM

Japan hiding results of Fukushima children’s thyroid cancer screenings in new information blackout www.bellona.org
by Panserbjorne9 8/15/2011 4:10:51 PM

@lillymunster Okey-dokey, I'll do some digging on Chernobyl studies, on exposure vs. cancer and other health outcomes, and for studies on low level iodine 131 exposure vs. thyroid cancer rates. Many hands make light(er) work, even on the darker days. :)
by ariadne 8/15/2011 4:17:17 PM

@ariadne what a beautful saying, i love that.
by Panserbjorne9 8/15/2011 4:20:13 PM

@ariadne yes they do, thank you so much. :-)
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 4:25:09 PM

www.oecd-nea.org
this is the 2002 update on the Chernobyl ten years on report
For this reason, low dose health effects in humans cannot be measured
and, therefore, risk projections of the future health impact of low-dose ionising
radiation exposure have to be extrapolated from measured high-dose effects.
The assumption is made that no dose of ionising radiation is without potential
harm, and that the frequency of stochastic effects at low doses is proportional to
that occurring at high doses. This prudent assumption has been adopted to assist
in the planning of radiation protection provisions when considering the
introduction of practices involving ionising radiations. The ICRP has estimated
the risk of fatal cancer to the general population from whole-body exposure to
be 5% per sievert (IC90)
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 4:25:49 PM

a yamashita quote from dean's link:
"In Chernobyl, adults over age 20 suffered no health hazards. So, in Fukushima, evacuations should be for babies and children. Adults over 20 do not need to be evacuated."
in case pedrojesus needs the context: cbbstoday.org, but unfortunately it is not in japanese.
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:28:15 PM

@Panserbjorne9 When I hear it in my head, though, I often see "Mini hands make light work" and get a visual of tiny people with tiny hands busily moving the electrons along to make the lamps go on. Such is my brain....:)
by ariadne 8/15/2011 4:28:23 PM

@ lilly and elaine.. once we get the formula's inplace and posted we will demonstrate that any increase above historical background for the major radioisotopes we've been looking at (Cs, I, Sr), will have an impact on future health risks. hopefully with the historical background data we should have it so anyone in japan can use the plug in formula to calculate risks.. then we will have information on what people can do in the interim
by dean 8/15/2011 4:29:53 PM

good seeing you Edano
by dean 8/15/2011 4:30:30 PM

@dean hi dean :)
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:30:47 PM

oops.. I just erased myself ...
by dean 8/15/2011 4:31:16 PM

@elainekirk I have noticed even the papers or agencies known to have a bias towards downplaying things or a conflict of interest are putting lower thresholds of safety than have been used in Japan and now by Yamashita etc.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 4:35:04 PM

@dean @Edano that sounds really good . I dont understand why yamashita did all the chernobyl work using one measurement then another is used for Japan do you think it is to prevent the people from properly informing themselves
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 4:36:18 PM

@Edano did you get the translated description of the thyroid tests I posted?
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 4:38:14 PM

another BS quote:
"But statistically, an exposure of 1 mSev (milli-Severt, 1/1000 of a Severt) will modify a single nucleotide of a single gene. A dose of 100 mSev will affect about 100 nucleotides."
cbbstoday.org so, what effect have 20ySv then ?
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:38:24 PM

@elainekirk you mailed or posted ?
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:39:55 PM

www.llrc.org @ lilly.. this is an excellent document on chernobyl study, it's large but do a search on things like "risk" etc. for backup information I'll post one quote for risk
by dean 8/15/2011 4:40:45 PM

"radioactive contamination of large areas is accompanied by distinctly negative health consequences for the populations and are predicted increased risk of radiogenic diseases in European countries in the coming years
by dean 8/15/2011 4:43:17 PM

@Edano detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp
Answers was 4/16.

"I am living in Iwaki city. It was the day our family went to
screening exam, March 26, 27, of 28. I am not sure. Outside of Iwaki
health office, they checked surface of body of every one with a
machine which looked like a Geiger counter.

Then, they asked our kid's age, and officers asked target-age kids,
'please come in here for additional exam." (comment: It doesn't seem
like they got informed consent BEFORE the exam.)

In the room, a physician had a machine which was silver close to my
kid's throat. My kid told me later that the machine was like geiger
counter, and the doctor looked at another machine in his/her hand,
while s/he hover another one over the throat. Not the same machine we
were used outside the office to check the surface of the body.

Later, I read an article on the newspaper, and thought, 'oh, that was
it!" .... (comment: obviously, no informed consent.)
rockhopper translation
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 4:45:35 PM

@lillymunster I had original 10yr and wanted to compAare with 02 update but went out and closed window but I will go through my history and find it again
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 4:48:17 PM

@elainekirk yes, obiously a gammacounter.
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:48:18 PM

Evacuees to visit homes within 3 km of Fukushima nuclear plant

FUKUSHIMA, Japan, Aug. 15, Kyodo

The government will allow evacuees from areas within 3 kilometers of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to visit their homes temporarily on Aug. 26 and Sept. 1, officials of the Futaba and Okuma town offices in Fukushima Prefecture said Monday.

A total of 89 households in the Koriyama and Hosoya districts in Futaba will be permitted to visit their homes on Aug. 26, while the Sept. 1 visit is slated for 239 households in the Ottozawa and Koirino districts in Okuma, the officials said.

Earlier in the day, the government's nuclear disaster task force inquired of the town offices about their local residents' temporary return to their homes, the local officials said. english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:48:55 PM

@edano what measurement do gamma counters use?
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 4:48:56 PM

@elainekirk : eV (electron volts)
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:49:35 PM

@elainekirk found this via Dean's last link. It talks about why the IRCP standards are off base. www.guardian.co.uk
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 4:50:07 PM

they register the activity/frequency of gamma rays that stem from atom (neutron) fission.
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:51:07 PM

@lillymunster ooo I will look have you seen the link I put on org for you it is under auditecs post
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 4:51:22 PM

80m-long fissure found in seabed off Sanriku

A Japanese research vessel has confirmed a new 80-meter long fissure beneath the sea at the focus of the massive earthquake that hit northeastern Japan on March 11th.

The Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology released on Monday video and photos of the seabed off the Sanriku coast taken from the agency's manned submarine, the Shinkai 6500, between July 30th and August 14th.

Some of the footage, shot 150 kilometers north-northeast from the quake focus some 5,350 meters below the ocean surface, shows a fissure about one meter wide and one meter deep, extending for 80 meters, north to south.

A number of other new fissures and unleveled seafloors have also been found, including a 20-centimeter-wide fissure running for dozens of meters. It is located at a depth of 3,200 meters, about 90 kilometers north-northeast of the quake's focus.

Researchers say methane gas may be spewing out of the seafloor, as bacteria and other forms of life were found multiplying inside the fissures.

A senior researcher at the agency, Katsunori Fujikura, says the latest data sheds light on the earthquake's giant energy. He said scientists will analyze the information further to learn about the various phenomena triggered by the jolt.

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Monday, August 15, 2011 22:21 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 8/15/2011 4:53:14 PM

by Edano via Www3.nhk.or.jp 8/15/2011 4:53:39 PM

@Edano.. now all we need is GODZILLA coming up out of the sea
by dean 8/15/2011 4:55:15 PM

@elainekirk will go look quick. I need to go through the ICRP data still and get that written up. Will add that guardian article to the list.

Have to run to an appt. will check in when I return.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 4:57:45 PM

gosh w all disappeared at the same time it seems
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 6:29:07 PM

Investigation Committee on the Accident at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Stations
icanps.go.jp
Member of the Investigation Committee on the Accident at the Fukushima
Nuclear Power Stations of Tokyo Electric Power Company
Chairperson
Dr. Yotaro Hatamura,
Professor Emeritus of the University of Tokyo, Professor of Kogakuin University
Member
Dr. Kazuo Oike,
Director, International Institute for Advanced Studies, Former President of Kyoto University
Dr. Shizuko Kakinuma,
Team Leader, Research Center for Radiation Protection, National Institute of Radiological Science
Mr. Yukio Takasu,
Project Professor, Institute for Advanced Global Studies, The University of Tokyo, Former Permanent
Representative, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Japan to the International Organizations
in Vienna, and the United Nations in New York
Mr. Toshio Takano,
Attorney-at-Law, Former Superintending Prosecutor of Nagoya High Public Prosecutors Office
Mr. Yasuro Tanaka,
Professor of Meiji Law School, Former Chief Justice of the Sapporo High Court
Ms. Yoko Hayashi,
Attorney-at-Law
Mr. Michio Furukawa,
Mayor of Kawamata Town, Fukushima Prefecture
Mr. Kunio Yanagida,
Writer, Critic
Mr. Hitoshi Yoshioka,
Vice-President of Kyushu University
Technical Advisor
Mr. Seiji Abe,
Professor, Kansai University
Dr. Masao Fuchigami,
Advisor, Komatsu Ltd., Ph.D. in Engineering
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 6:32:56 PM

I am here elaine
by dean 8/15/2011 6:50:36 PM

@dean greetings
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 6:56:04 PM

Traces of radioactive sulfur measured at Scripps Pier reveal extent of leakage from damaged Fukushima reactor www.lajollalight.com
by Panserbjorne9 8/15/2011 7:04:40 PM

Back for a bit
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 7:11:32 PM

PB, that is a great article. Going to go put that on the group site so it gets tweeted.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 7:15:09 PM

@Panserbjorne I am soooo freaked out by that article. It just brings it all home. I live within a 15 minute drive from Scripps and I was there just 2 weeks ago when family visited. I've known that San Diego got a big hit, but it hadn't been publicized and our testing here has been pathetic. Wow! Thanks for posting.
by LM 8/15/2011 7:17:18 PM