Japan Earthquake

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@Panserbjorne Good news!
by LM 8/15/2011 8:28:38 PM

www.tepco.co.jp
the taller building on the far left look at the top of the wall it looks like the building must have some serious problems and the angle they have taken the photograph at is really strange I can only think they dont want us seeing the lower parts
by elainekirk via Tepco.co.jp 8/15/2011 8:32:27 PM

@elainekirk there was a change at some point after chernobyl to using a different set of measurements. It gives me a major headache trying to find apples to apples conversions for some of them.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 8:34:24 PM

@lillymunster yes I tried searching papers for msv and they don't appear I think there are 3 memtions in that paper all in the same short para
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 8:36:27 PM

Out to take the daughter to the doc. Should be back shortly
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 8:52:28 PM

@elainekirk Surely if you take a photo of a crane from underneath it you are going to come up with a strange angle? (Great work on the forum. Still following!)
by hedge 8/15/2011 9:00:27 PM

@hedge we have seen all the units from various angles bar #1 where you either get a far distance shot or the top half - I am curious because we know the wall of the turbine building fell which may be the bit we can see but also unit 1 was said to be having bits breaking
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 9:04:24 PM

Fukushima Central Television just flagged down my most popular video for copyright violation because it included footage of the explosions : www.youtube.com That video is a case study in Fair Use and FCT would be laughed out of court to say otherwise. I only used two very-short clips of two historic events as the basis for my original commentary and analysis that included my own graphics superimposed over the historic events.

This was a brazen attempt to suppress public analysis and discussion of this historic event with global implications. I'll file an appeal with YouTube, but might also like to take this to court to establish legal precedent that inquiry into the Fukushima explosions (which necessitates imagery thereof) is protected speech.
by Ian 8/15/2011 9:43:04 PM

@Ian that is ridiculous those images are everywhere but actually getting a video taken down on youtube increases its popularity enourmously so where is there a copy hosted so we can make it a must see ;)
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 9:45:56 PM

@Ian do you have the link so I can get a screenshot we can get milage out of this one
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 9:50:23 PM

a tweeter called daisuke_hirano just posted this little gem - www.geosociety.jp
translate.google.com
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 9:57:04 PM

@Ealine, I'm uploading the raw file to my site, it's 130 MB. I got a screen shot of the DMCA notice, is that what you refere to?
by Ian 8/15/2011 9:58:26 PM

@Ian yes thats the one :)
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 9:58:50 PM

Here's the DMCA notification. iangoddard.com
by Ian via Iangoddard 8/15/2011 10:06:36 PM

@Ian we need veenie have you got the notice up anywhere so it can be tweeted veenie does great tweets that get retweeted
I wish @lilly was here
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 10:09:00 PM

Here's the video, the raw file : iangoddard.com On some browsers it will play automatically, but maybe not until it downloads (130 mb). Otherwise, do a right click Save Target As or other similar statement (dependent on browser) to download the file to a folder.
by Ian 8/15/2011 10:11:05 PM

@Elaine, I do have the DMCA screenCap on my site, the link should be below. Is there a preferable way to post it? The irony of all this is that I think the answer to the question of that video is NO, it's probably wasn't a nuclear blast. But this issue at hand is far more meta than that!
by Ian 8/15/2011 10:12:49 PM

FCT need to be put in its place I think with a court decision. Otherwise they can keep stifling inquiry on Fukushima. Next they may contact website hosts and try to threaten them. I have no doubt FCT is acting at the behest of govt officials. Imagine if that could be proved in court!
by Ian 8/15/2011 10:15:29 PM

@Ian it will be interesting to see how far they go there are so many video's out there and screenshots
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 10:26:51 PM

FCT has been taking an ever-growing slice out of the Fuku-explosion videos online. Recall I once posted a list of at least a half dozen FCT DMCA's, for reposts of the raw footage (not used as Fair Use commentary). And they've only been flagging more since then. I've seen a few independent researchers complain about the growing paucity of explosion videos due to DMCAs. And the flagging of mine is the first incursion into clear Fair Use territory I'm aware of, and suggests and effort to push the boundaries and really start shutting down free inquiry on the explosions.
by Ian 8/15/2011 10:32:57 PM

@Ian it certainly is a cause to be highlighted , if the authorities were open , if tepco were open and if the press idnt play silly buglers (at the behest , I suspect, of tepco or gov) then they would have far more hope of recovery - the secrecy makes them suspect
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 10:39:55 PM

Tepco cam is showing a black dot floating around above the 2 closest reactors....
by ariadne 8/15/2011 10:48:21 PM

hanging from the crane.
by Edano 8/15/2011 10:49:06 PM

@Edano that rod they are placing is very long it must be going quite far into the ground as you cannot see as much of it now
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 11:03:01 PM

www.pnri.dost.gov.ph
It will be a bumper rice harvest this year then www.pnri.dost.gov.ph
by elainekirk via Pnri.dost.gov.ph 8/15/2011 11:09:46 PM

www.rrjournal.org
Roy E. Shore (1992) Issues and Epidemiological Evidence regarding Radiation-Induced Thyroid Cancer. Radiation Research: July 1992, Vol. 131, No. 1, pp. 98-111.
The available information on the induction of thyroid cancer in humans by ionizing radiation is summarized and weaknesses or gaps in assessing risk are identified. Issues to be addressed include: average estimates of thyroid cancer risk from external irradiation, the effects of age on thyroid cancer induction, shape of the dose-response curve for acute irradiation, magnitude of risk at low doses, effects of dose fractionation or dose protraction, the relative effectiveness of iodine-131 (131 I) in inducing thyroid cancer compared to external radiation, the temporal course of radiogenic thyroid cancer risk, mortality caused by thyroid cancer, host-susceptibility factors for radiogenic thyroid cancer, and biological factors in risk. It is concluded that the most important needs are to obtain more information on thyroid cancer risks following low-level or highly fractionated radiation exposures and following131 I exposure in children.
This article costs $30 for 30 days access to the pdf. From the abstract it is difficult to tell exactly how much information the article provides; it seems the conclusion is that more studies need to be done. If the techies feel like it's worth it I will spend the $30 for access. Let me know. Now back to searching....
by ariadne 8/15/2011 11:11:34 PM

@ariadne
good find :) It goes way over my head I am happier in googledom like you :)
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 11:23:40 PM

www.rrjournal.org I think this one says they couldn't find a clear correlation between exposure/dose and getting hyperthyroidism. As in, they couldn't say you have to get x amount to get it, less than that you don't get it. There's a longer abstract at the link. Prevalence of Hyperthyroidism after Exposure during Childhood or Adolescence to Radioiodines from the Chornobyl Nuclear Accident: Dose–Response Results from the Ukrainian-American Cohort Study "In summary, after a thorough exploration of the data, we found no statistically significant dose–response relationship between individual 131I thyroid doses and prevalent hyperthyroidism."
by ariadne 8/15/2011 11:24:58 PM

@elainekirk I learned to love "Google Scholar (Standing on the shoulders of giants)" when I was doing research for my PhD. I sure wish all of the entire articles were available online for free!
by ariadne 8/15/2011 11:26:34 PM

@ariadne @Edano this is terrible and there are copies of all the government docs so totally verified translate.google.com
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 11:33:04 PM

@elainekirk The numbers are getting bigger, are they continuing to use this contaminated beef? :( I suspect prisons in Japan are also getting and using this "cheaper" food.
by ariadne 8/15/2011 11:37:18 PM

www.rrjournal.org Chornobyl Thyroid Diseases Study Group of Belarus, Ukraine, and the USA. A Cohort Study of Thyroid Cancer and Other Thyroid Diseases after the Chornobyl Accident: Objectives, Design and Methods. Radiat. Res. 161, 481–492 (2004). "This paper describes an ongoing cohort study being conducted in Belarus and Ukraine that includes 25,161 subjects under the age of 18 years in 1986 who are being screened for thyroid diseases every 2 years. Individual thyroid doses are being estimated for all study subjects based on measurement of the radioactivity of the thyroid gland made in 1986 together with a radioecological model and interview data. Approximately 100 histologically confirmed thyroid cancers were detected as a consequence of the first round of screening. The data will enable fitting appropriate dose–response models, which are important in both radiation epidemiology and public health for prediction of risks from exposure to radioactive iodines from medical sources and any future nuclear accidents. Plans are to continue to follow-up the cohort for at least three screening cycles, which will lead to more precise estimates of risk." I will see if I can find the follow up articles. This is a big study, following more than 25,000 people.
by ariadne 8/15/2011 11:40:52 PM

@ariadne the chernobyl papers say it was the eating of produce that caused a lot of the radiation in people years after ...I suppose actually that provides for them having knowledge of long term exposure
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 11:41:51 PM

This one says they can't say for sure that there is or is not a threshold dose below which there will be effects from the radiation. www.rrjournal.org Puskin, J. S. What Can Epidemiology Tell Us about Risks at Low Doses? Radiat. Res. 169, 122–124 (2008).

Limitations on statistical power preclude direct detection and quantification of radiogenic cancer risks at very low (environmental) levels of low-LET radiation through epidemiological studies. Given this limitation and our incomplete understanding of cellular processes leading to radiation carcinogenesis, an “effective threshold” in the dose range of interest for radiation protection cannot yet be ruled out. Ongoing epidemiological studies of chronically exposed individuals receiving very low daily doses of radiation can be used, however, together with radiobiological data, to critically test whether such a threshold is plausible.
by ariadne 8/15/2011 11:53:51 PM

@ariadne there is no safe level yet you can bet the industry are prepared to fund researchers for millions to 'find' that there are
by elainekirk 8/16/2011 12:03:48 AM

This fellow has also done lots of research on radiation effects on nuclear power industry workers. www.rrjournal.org He was one of the folks doing that big 2004 Chernobyl thyroid study on young people (cited below). Maybe we should write him and find out if there are more recent results, and see if he can give us any information on dose/effects we might be able to use to help educate folks re: Fukushima. Geoffrey R. Howe, Department of Epidemiology, Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, 722 West 168th Street, Suite 1104, New York, NY 10032; gh68@columbia.edu www.rrjournal.org
by ariadne 8/16/2011 12:06:32 AM

@elainekirk yes, it was kind of icky how they framed it, it felt like they were disappointed in not finding the "safe" threshold level. "cannot yet be ruled out." grrrrrrr.
by ariadne 8/16/2011 12:08:00 AM

by Majj 8/16/2011 12:09:30 AM

Oh yes you can bet it will be soon that we hear that it is very safe
by elainekirk 8/16/2011 12:09:35 AM

@Majj Ogh what a great find!!
by elainekirk 8/16/2011 12:12:27 AM

This one actually has some dose-related numbers. jnci.oxfordjournals.org Risk of Thyroid Cancer After Exposure to 131I in Childhood Background: After the Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident in April 1986, a large increase in the incidence of childhood thyroid cancer was reported in contaminated areas. Most of the radiation exposure to the thyroid was from iodine isotopes, especially 131I. We carried out a population-based case–control study of thyroid cancer in Belarus and the Russian Federation to evaluate the risk of thyroid cancer after exposure to radioactive iodine in childhood and to investigate environmental and host factors that may modify this risk. Methods: We studied 276 case patients with thyroid cancer through 1998 and 1300 matched control subjects, all aged younger than 15 years at the time of the accident. Individual doses were estimated for each subject based on their whereabouts and dietary habits at the time of the accident and in following days, weeks, and years; their likely stable iodine status at the time of the accident was also evaluated. Data were analyzed by conditional logistic regression using several different models. All statistical tests were two-sided. Results: A strong dose–response relationship was observed between radiation dose to the thyroid received in childhood and thyroid cancer risk (P<.001). For a dose of 1 Gy, the estimated odds ratio of thyroid cancer varied from 5.5 (95% confidence interval [CI] = 3.1 to 9.5) to 8.4 (95% CI = 4.1 to 17.3), depending on the risk model. A linear dose–response relationship was observed up to 1.5–2 Gy. The risk of radiation-related thyroid cancer was three times higher in iodine-deficient areas (relative risk [RR]= 3.2, 95% CI = 1.9 to 5.5) than elsewhere. Administration of potassium iodide as a dietary supplement reduced this risk of radiation-related thyroid cancer by a factor of 3 (RR = 0.34, 95% CI = 0.1 to 0.9, for consumption of potassium iodide versus no consumption). Conclusion: Exposure to 131I in childhood is associated with an increased risk of thyroid cancer. Both iodine deficiency and iodine supplementation appear to modify this risk. These results have important public health implications: stable iodine supplementation in iodine-deficient populations may substantially reduce the risk of thyroid cancer related to radioactive iodines in case of exposure to radioactive iodines in childhood that may occur after radiation accidents or during medical diagnostic and therapeutic procedures.

* Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 97, No. 10, © Oxford University Press 2005, all rights reserved.
by ariadne 8/16/2011 12:13:22 AM

The nuclear industry explanations : Nuclear Energy Institute : Safe, clean, reliable electricity to power America. Here is a sampling of the video’s claims versus the facts:

Claim: One million people died across the world from Chernobyl, including 40,000 rescue workers.
Fact: According to the World Health Organization, fewer than 50 deaths have been directly attributed to radiation from the Chernobyl accident, almost all those being highly exposed rescue workers who worked at the disaster site.
Claim: The hydrogen explosion at Unit 3 at Fukushima Daiichi triggered a “small nuclear explosion.”
Fact: It is impossible to have a nuclear explosion at a nuclear energy facility. A nuclear explosion requires highly enriched (weapons-grade) fuel. Uranium fuel used in commercial reactors is enriched at such a low level that a nuclear explosion is impossible. The explosion at the Fukushima reactors was the result of hydrogen gas igniting.
Claim: The Environmental Protection Agency “stopped monitoring fallout from Fukushima in late April 2011.”
Fact: EPA’s RadNet system monitors the environment continuously using more than 100 radiation air monitors in 48 states. The RadNet monitoring system runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and transmits near real-time measurements. RadNet identifies trends in the concentrations of radionuclides in precipitation, drinking water and milk.
Claim: “Radioactive iodine, cesium, zeon and uranium were measured in the U.S. at hundreds of times the legal background limit.”
Fact: Radiation levels detected in the United States from the Fukushima accident were thousands of times below government limits and “remained well below any level of public health concern,” according to EPA. safetyfirst.nei.org
by Majj 8/16/2011 12:17:41 AM

Fukushima: U.S. witholds radiation data :Simple research shows that both the Pentagon and the Japanese government know full well the severity of the situation at the Fukushima plant and they are not releasing the full extent of this information to either the Japanese or American people. Sure, perhaps bits and pieces make it out, but the hard data we know they are capable of generating to present a full account of the ramifications of the radiation fallout seems to be mostly withheld from the public.
The capabilities of the U.S. to monitor the radiation fallout and any “plumes” in the atmosphere is extensive and well-documented. www.agoracosmopolitan.com
by Majj 8/16/2011 12:20:15 AM

Number put on level of Fukushima radiation :SAN DIEGO, Aug. 15 (UPI) -- Researchers have reported the first quantitative measurement of radiation released from the damaged nuclear reactor in Fukushima, Japan, earlier this year.

Atmospheric chemists at the University of California, San Diego, say their estimate is based on air sampling that detected a signal of radiation all the way across the Pacific from the reactor damaged in the March earthquake and tsunami.

Fifteen days after Fukushima operators began pumping seawater into damaged reactors to cool them, a spike in levels of radioactive sulfur from the resulting steam vented into the atmosphere from the plant was recorded by UCSD researcher Mark Thiemens, a university release reported Monday.

Read more: www.upi.com
This news are every where ;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
by Majj 8/16/2011 12:21:46 AM