
@Majj regarding the data plots, i am sure something has cracked during the earthquakes on 7/31 and 8/12 !
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:17:23 AM

good find, will pin it !
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:20:19 AM

Breaking News: #Fukushima splashing steam from the cracks in the groundPosted by Mochizuki on August 15th, 2011
In early August,an actual Fukushima worker emailed to his friends.
“A lot of the cracks came up in the ground,massive steam is coming up from there.It’s too smoggy here,can’t see a thing.It seems like nuclear reaction is happening underground.Now we are evacuating.Watch out for the direction of wind.”
Whistle-blower in the gov
“I’ve heard that steam is coming up from the cracks in the ground.We are afraid of it.”
Another Fukushima worker,
“Near the reactors,there are a lot of the cracks in the ground,steam splashed out from there sometimes.and we have detected 10Sv/h at 6 places unlike gov’s announcement. .......”
fukushima-diary.com by Edano 8/16/2011 11:22:07 AM

@all: is that true:
"However,this evening,Tepco “confessed” a new fact.
That’s there is a huge pool on the basement floor of Fukushima,which is shared by units 1~4. They stock 6400 nuclear spent fuel rods in it,and groundwater is flowing into the pool through broken duct."
???
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:24:21 AM

by Edano 8/16/2011 11:32:36 AM

maybe a misunderstanding.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:33:43 AM

@Edano ??? Hmm. From Elaine and my research we found nothing about spent fuel in a sub basement in documents. Anything outside of the reactor SFP goes to the communal pool then to casks. Casks go in the dockside cask building. We did find one really weird reference of fuel storage in the basement of 4. It was a translation and was in a narrative of the repair work to be done in the outage. We assumed it was a translation oddity but went and did some looking for anything confirming this and found nothing. If they have some sort of cask storage in a sub basement it was in nothing of their public documents.
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:36:10 AM

@lillymunster i am puzzling if they mean that the water in the common pool flows thru cracks into the reactor basements now. the translation of jiji article is hard to decipher.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:37:41 AM

or they have a secret.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:39:09 AM

This is what I get for a translation on the jiji article:
9 t = inflow conduit from building a shared pool of water underground - Fukushima 1
In the first nuclear accident in Fukushima, Tokyo Electric Power Company on April 15 announced it was found that the groundwater inflow conduit in the basement of the building from the spent fuel pool in each issue of the union machine. Was found in the evening of 13 tons estimated weight of 9. Tanks for water and then was transferred to radioactive contamination, do work to stop the influx.
In the same before the nuclear accident, was pumped groundwater around each building, not move the pump was in an accident for which the surrounding ground water level is up. Groundwater to get into such a crack in a concrete conduit in eastern earthquake, it seems to have flowed into the underground building a pool. (2011/08/15-13: 05)
I wonder if they mean the basement of the common fuel pool? Cracks in basements and steam coming out of cracks in the ground is a yes. I saw video footage of steam coming out of a pipe entrance into the ground when the media did stories of the high rads in the vent pipe. Workers had also said directly that there was steam coming through cracks in lower floor level concrete in #1 to the mainstream media a while back when they were trying to see how far they could get inside.
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:40:02 AM

the steam from cracks in the ground may also come from the torusses.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:40:19 AM

Elaine found a few docs that raised suspicion something was different at #4 but we couldn't nail anything down for sure. We put it on a level of we should keep an eye out for anything out of the ordinary for extra scrutiny related to 4.
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:41:16 AM

@lillymunster : the tweets speak of steam out of the ground outside the reactors.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:42:36 AM

@Edano the torus level juts out underground between the reactor and turbine building. So that area between the two buildings yes. For fissures to have steam on the other 3 sides would require a penetration hole, tunnel or a big crack in the reactor building walls. The torus level walls are flush with the reactor tower except that 1 side due to the offset of the reactor. #1 has a big offset where the newer ones are a bit more centered since the buildings are slightly wider.
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:43:28 AM

@Edano right. There is only 1 side where the torus level is under but outside. The fissures Elaine found at the end of #1 and another possible one at the end of #4 make me really suspicious they have some major breaks underground.
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:44:38 AM

the data plots indicate sth has cracked between 7/31 and 8/12
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:45:00 AM

@Edano what cracked?
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:45:22 AM

#2 is very odd. losing pressure, losing radiation, losing temp. suddenly.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:46:21 AM

@Edano oh that isn't good at all. #2 has that big hole in the torus. I wish we had detailed blueprints of the piping and electrical tunnels between buildings.
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:47:37 AM

the radiation in #2 drywell b dropped from 15 Sv/h to 0.00207 Sv/h on 12/8 !!! now recovering slowly.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:48:23 AM



and we have the rad spikes in #1 up to 371 Sv/h since 7/31. before no reading was over 300.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:50:20 AM

Read both articles on the spent fuel. I think they are talking about the common pool basement flooding. They have to pump groundwater out of all the buildings there to keep the basements from flooding. The normal pumping system is destroyed or they can't use it due to all the radiation in the runoff water. So they get water in from runoff or groundwater infiltration
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:55:48 AM

@Edano I wonder if Dean has more understanding on corium behavior. How far it can spread, if water can move it etc. The sudden drop off in 2 is concerning. If it was cooling it would be an even slow drop, not a quick drop of everything. We get a wet well reading yes? Are they going up in 1 or 2?
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:57:43 AM

@lillymunster wetwell radiation readings "normal". slowly declining.
by Edano 8/16/2011 11:59:41 AM

I have been trying to figure out how to build an article out of all the oddities your finding. Can you email me something that has the chronology of the things you found in recent weeks? Even if we can't come to solid conclusions the patterns are interesting enough to share.
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 11:59:42 AM

@Edano so things are probably not flushing that direction?
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 12:00:10 PM

@lillymunster yes, i can make some points of abnormalities.
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:00:36 PM

@lillymunster doesn't seem so.
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:01:03 PM

That would be wonderful. I can make a post out of it and link to the charts.
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 12:01:10 PM

@lillymunster the sudden drop in #2 is unexplicable. in the tepco data, there is a column for explanation and notes. there they say if something has failed or if the power is off or under inspection or gauge replaced or recalibrated or similar. however, tepco made no notes on that drop that would explain it. until now.
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:03:45 PM

greetings to all
by dean 8/16/2011 12:04:40 PM

hi dean, look at pinned post above and the data plots below, please. :)
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:06:39 PM

have to work a bit now. i hope we find out more when more people around.
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:06:52 PM

looking now Edano
by dean 8/16/2011 12:06:57 PM

@Edano will ask people to look at when they stop by
by lillymunster 8/16/2011 12:08:56 PM

@ Edano... good find.. as if they didn't have enough to worry about, now this. Also the word of tritium being found in the water leads to yet another trouble
by dean 8/16/2011 12:09:06 PM

maji's find, actually. :)
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:09:31 PM

it's just all the more reason why I think they should have bore drilled some small holes into the inaccessible areas and video what the condition is like in and around the corium
by dean 8/16/2011 12:10:35 PM

@dean what would you think about a radiation drop from 15 Sv/h to 0.00207 Sv/h within 2 hours ? happened in #2 (chart below).
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:11:46 PM

it's impossible, isn't it ?
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:12:15 PM

defiantly a sign of some structure failure I'd say with potential movement of radiation source as if the source moved further away from the detectors. very alarming along with the timing of reports from the cracks in the ground and steam.. this could change the strategy of the covering over the buildings... why cover if there is leakage up through the cracks...
by dean 8/16/2011 12:15:53 PM

@dean i agree.
by Edano 8/16/2011 12:18:16 PM

it would also possibly suggest that some reaction with corium and water could have occured pushing the pressure up then tapering off as things reached some equilibrium again. today will be a telling day with the word of the steam coming up through cracks and unfortunately add another dimension, escape of isotopes, more danger for workers, perhaps uncontrolled leakage from plant. the common fuel pool water level will be one that I wish we could watch.. if there is a source of ground water in.. there may be a source of letting it out as well.
by dean 8/16/2011 12:21:27 PM